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    How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    DMT 20.M EXTRACTION RECIPE

    Hey everyone,

    EDIT: 22/03/11 As we all know Mimosa Hostills (what was used for this original tek has gone and probably will not be making a comeback to the U.K) A new source has quickly emerged called ''Acacia Confusa' which has similar qualitys to Mimosa (SWIM has only just started re-modifying this tek to work with Acacia, SWIM is still in the experiemtning stage and are yet to perfect this technique to get maximum yeild, hopefully over the coming months SWIM will update it with any tips and tricks like SWIM did when this tek was made for mimosa)

    Anyone outside the U.K who wishes to use this tek for Mimosa Hostills (very good tek when used with Mimosa, swim mangaed to produce almost 0.3g out of 20g when perfecting the technique) it's preety much exactly the same as this tek only it does not involve the ''defat stage'' anyway here is the link to the original tek >>>>

    http://www.mediafire.com/?lfw7dg6we18506g


    This method is really easy, cost effective and only requires as little as 50g Acacia Confusa Root Bark to start with!


    Anyway here is the procedure >>>>>>>>

    DMT 20.M EXTRACTION RECIPE

    List of Ingredients & Apparatus >>>>>

    Ingredients.....

    1.Sodium Hydroxide i.e. Caustic Soda (aka Lye)
    (minimum of 5g 4 extracting 20g of acacia confusa root bark)
    2.Naphtha (Ronsonol Lighter Fluid / Newport Lighter Fluid 4 Zippos or a similar type)
    3.Tap water
    4 Acacia Confusa Root bark (20g minimum extraction)http://www.botanicalspirit.com/?aref=3740 http://www.mh-uk.net/page34/page2/page2.html

    Apparatus.....

    1.568ml vinegar bottle (can be found @ any Supermarket, Sainsbury's do vinegar bottles like these for only 10-20p)
    2.12inch Plastic Pipettes (Found on Ebay)
    3.Dust Mask (Found on Ebay)
    4.Eye goggles (Found on Ebay)
    5. 2 Glass McCartney Jars (I use big glass Pill Bottles) (Found @ Any Chemist store)
    6.Small Glass Baking dish (Found at any Supermarkets or convenience store)
    7.Glass Millie-litre Measuring Jug (Found@ Any Supermarket)
    8.Filters (to carefully pour in your ingredients!) (Found @ Any Supermarket or Discount Store)
    9.2 Razor Blades (razor blade used for stanley knifes are ideal)


    1.Take your glass vinegar bottle and make shure it is washed thoroughly throughout.

    2.Now Measure 200ml of water in your glass measuring jug and pour this into your vinegar bottle with one of your filters.

    3 If you have a strong blender, powder down the Acacia Confusa bark so it has a wider surface area. I use a 600w philips blender which does the job! (dont worry if you don't own a blender you can get away with using just shreeded bark)

    4.Filter in approximately 20g of (powdered or shreeded) Acacia Confusa Bark into your bottle, and give a vigourous shake to strip down the bark (it should look like slightly red)

    5.Now store this solution in a dark, undisturbed part of your working area at room temperature overnight! (I use my bedroom cabinet and would store for 24hours, shaking every now 4-6hours)

    6.Once 24 hours has passed will now need to perform a defat

    7.Measure out 50ml of Naphtha with your measuring Jug and then continue to add this to your vinegar bottle using one of your small filters

    8.Start shaking your solution for around 4-6 minutes (from what i have learnt the defat removes the unwanted alkaloids, so be sure to give it a ruddy good shake)

    9.Start running a hot water bath @ 60c (You may be limited to your resources! So SWIM used a sink with the hot water tap which was filled up to the top with the hottest water it could produce. This came out to around 45c – 51c which is satisfactory)

    10.Place your solution in the hot water bath (this does help speed up the process of the defat, after around 30 - 60 mins, both layers will have sperated)

    11.Using your pipette python out the top layer of naphtha and store in one of your plastic pill bottle (make sure to name it something like ''defat bottle'' and eventually dispose ofit in the right way!)

    12.Repeat steps 7 to 11 one more time

    13.Now you have finished the defat stage, Measure out 5g of caustic soda and to add to your solution using a filter (remember to use googles, gloves and dusk mask when dealing with caustic soda, if u dont and get it on your hands it hurts, i know you heard it billion times, BUT MAINTAIN SAFETY!!!)

    14.Give the bottle a shake, it will turn from dark red to dark black

    (The next procedure is exactly like the defat, only we will use our solvent to remove the NN-DMT from the bark)

    15.Measure out 50ml of Naphtha with your measuring Jug and then continue to add this to your vinegar bottle using one of your small filters

    16.Start running another hot water bath and place the bottle in your hot water bath for 30 minutes

    17.After 30minutes have passed, take your solution and give it a shake for 2-4 minutes (being careful not to create any froth on top of your solution, this is called ''emulsions'' which stops the seperation of the solvent on top from the soupy liquid below)

    18.Now run another hot water bath and place your solutuion init, waiting for around 1-2 hours (or how ever long until the 2 layers have seperated)

    19.After a couple hours, the layers will have seperated, Using your pipette python out the top layer of naphtha and store in your other glass pill bottle (this is the sovlent that contains your dmt)

    20.Repeat steps 15 - 19 another 2 times

    21.Now get your glass baking dish and pour the dmt into the dish (making sure no soupy dark liquid is in the solvent)

    22.Place your glass baking dish in the freezer for 24 hours

    23.Remove your glass baking dish and python of the remaining solvent while being careful not to python up any of the white crystals (the remaining solvent can be stored for use again in steps 15-19)

    24.Place your dish in a cool dark area i use my bedroom cabinet with a vinyl record case placed on top so no oxygen or light gets to the crystals (you will notice if you crystals have prolonged exposure to light and air they will become orangey / yellow)

    25.After the crystals have fully dried, use a razor blade to scrape up the crystals and store within a clean new dodgy bag (i would store this dodgy bag within another 2 dodgy bags within 2 boxes stored in a dark area)

    NOTES: SWIM has found from extracting 20g of Acacia Confusa using this tek swim can produce a yeild of 0.1g (100mg) of white-ish pure NN-DMT xtals, swim has noticed and from others experiences that acacia is slightly more stronger than mimosa, this might be down to another present alkaloid in the acacia called ''NMT'' (even thruogh its present in mimosa aswell)

    Allthrough NN-DMT extracted from Acacia is slightly more powerful the downside is that you only get 0.1g from 20g bark extraction, as apose to mimosa in which you could produce 0.2g from 20g bark extraction. If anyone out there using this tek and getting better results than swim, please pm swim so can incorparate your method into the tek.

    If you have any doughts about this or questions, please read this thread before you create a new one or reply, it might be of a help to you http://psychonaut.com/post-42342-288...l?f=36#p288148

    Finally any questions people have, please feel free to ask! SWIM has tried to make this tek as simple as possible aswell as including lots of detail and step by step instructions, Good luck and Godspeed..........
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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    Swim did not make this Tek nor would condone anyone using it for anything else than scientific and educational purposes.

    Swim will happily answer any question you have on this tek

    (through it is preety easy! only thing u have to worry about is emulsions!! just don't shake 2 hard)
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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    emulsions are beat with more NaOH added... you should have added this to the DMT section though, but thanks anyways.
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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    moved it.


    thanks for the instructions, sounds like a technique worth trying.

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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    Silly swim, thought it would belong in ''extraction and research'' section.

    And yeah swim did forget to mention add more caustic soda (NaOH) if do emulsions occur!

    BananahPancake is right, it's worth a try as it simple, low cost and really gr8 tek 4 1st timers..............
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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    was wondering if this extraction would work with p.viridis leaves
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    Yo, I think 10g of NaOH is more appropriate than 5g per 20g MHRB.

    Also I think you want some kind of step to reduce the amount of lye in your nonpolar to give a less irritating smoke. Either wash the nonpolar with bicarb, or dry it with MgSO4, or perhaps wash your freebase with cold 10% ammonia. Or recrystallize.

    This tek is very similar to mine- except I use less water, more base, more salt, and tap or well-water is fine. Also I don't get up from the couch unless I'm going to make a QP'er. What's wrong with making a year's supply of dmt in 8 hours labor?

    STB extraction is probably less suitable than a traditional A/B for P. Viridis leaves because they have lots of chlorophyll which is usually removed by a defatting step. If you have to purchase P. Viridis this is not the best candidate for chemical extraction. The higher cost per dose of P. Viridis is usually paid because it is more suitable for direct brewing into ayahuasca than Jurema (which causes so much nausea that it's hard to hold down long enough to absorb.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by madprossor
    Yo, I think 10g of NaOH is more appropriate than 5g per 20g MHRB.

    Also I think you want some kind of step to reduce the amount of lye in your nonpolar to give a less irritating smoke. Either wash the nonpolar with bicarb, or dry it with MgSO4, or perhaps wash your freebase with cold 10% ammonia. Or recrystallize.

    This tek is very similar to mine- except I use less water, more base, more salt, and tap or well-water is fine. Also I don't get up from the couch unless I'm going to make a QP'er. What's wrong with making a year's supply of dmt in 8 hours labor?

    STB extraction is probably less suitable than a traditional A/B for P. Viridis leaves because they have lots of chlorophyll which is usually removed by a defatting step. If you have to purchase P. Viridis this is not the best candidate for chemical extraction. The higher cost per dose of P. Viridis is usually paid because it is more suitable for direct brewing into ayahuasca than Jurema (which causes so much nausea that it's hard to hold down long enough to absorb.)
    for less irratating smoke couldn't you just wash your crystals with water to get rid of naoh?
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    dont wash crystals, its a very inneficient way of cleaning and might result in loss of yield.

    better wash the non-polar solvent where the dmt is dissolved in. Just make a sodium carb solution, mix with solvent and separate, and then evap or freeze the solvent with dmt

    btw, lye doesnt vaporize at temperatures reached by your lighter. If its harsh, its not NaOH, but maybe some other impurities like remains of the mimosa mix or other more polar impurities that came across during separation of solvent from mimosa soup

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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    if you washed with ice cold water you couldn't lose a damn thing, but you're right harsh smoke wouldn't be from naoh, probably just some fats or something..

    dmt smoke IS harsh though
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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    Man, i have been over this again&again&again...

    Why wash your nonpolar with Sodium Carbonate solution, except that this is highly effective in removing residual lye?

    Have you noticed a difference in the harshness of the dmt produced with and without this wash? Have you licked your lips after smoking dmt which was not washed in this way? Have you measured the pH of the shit coating your lips after smoking unwashed dmt?

    I've made pounds and pounds of dmt. Brown, orange, yellow, and creamy white. (No red...)

    I have noticed that when the nonpolar is dried with MgSO4 or when the freebase is freezer-precipitated from naptha- in both of these cases the smoke is very much less harsh than it would be otherwise.

    I have prepared yellow dmt powder with residual lye in it (from evaporation of naptha) which was much more harsh to smoke than orange sticky dmt which has had the lye removed. I shared this evaporated-yellow-dmt once with an experienced traveler and he complained that the amount of residual lye was excessive. Since then MgSO4 has been used and further complaints have not occurred. I have a very hard time believing that this significant improvement in quality is due to the MgSO4 removing some component other than base... what possible component could it be?

    Marsofold spoke of this lye contamination issue and he had his own way to solve it. He was a skilled researcher.

    Freebase dmt is indeed soluble in water at pH 7. I don't know the exact solubility, but it will dissolve to some extent. This is determined by its pKa i believe.

    Look, the melting point and boiling point of NaOH are irrelevant. The scientific term for a solid suspended below it's melting point by a vaporizing liquid is called a "MIST."

    A "mist" is a real thing observed by scientists in labs. It is not imaginary.

    And white dmt smoked out of a nice long pipe with lots of twists and turns is in fact not very harsh at all...

    Enough about this. I've put it to a taste test many, many times and I'd rather not have my throat coated with lye when I go way far out on a fat dmt rip. If your dmt smokes harshly, perhaps it's because you haven't been paying attention to the real masters...

    In fact water is soluble in naptha at least 0.1%. Let's do some rough math. It takes me about 3 liters of naptha to pull a half ounce of dmt. 3000 grams naptha * .1% water = 3 grams of water. i use 25% base, so if I evaporate I will get .75 grams of LYE mixed in my half ounce of dmt. this is NO JOKE!

    I'm curious- who told you there is no such thing as a solid carried by a vaporizing liquid? Was this person a professor, or a professional chemist? I sincerely doubt it.
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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    Quote Originally Posted by madprossor
    Man, i have been over this again&again&again...

    Why wash your nonpolar with Sodium Carbonate solution, except that this is highly effective in removing residual lye?

    Have you noticed a difference in the harshness of the dmt produced with and without this wash? Have you licked your lips after smoking dmt which was not washed in this way? Have you measured the pH of the shit coating your lips after smoking unwashed dmt?

    I've made pounds and pounds of dmt. Brown, orange, yellow, and creamy white. (No red...)

    I have noticed that when the nonpolar is dried with MgSO4 or when the freebase is freezer-precipitated from naptha- in both of these cases the smoke is very much less harsh than it would be otherwise.

    I have prepared yellow dmt powder with residual lye in it (from evaporation of naptha) which was much more harsh to smoke than orange sticky dmt which has had the lye removed. I shared this evaporated-yellow-dmt once with an experienced traveler and he complained that the amount of residual lye was excessive. Since then MgSO4 has been used and further complaints have not occurred. I have a very hard time believing that this significant improvement in quality is due to the MgSO4 removing some component other than base... what possible component could it be?

    Marsofold spoke of this lye contamination issue and he had his own way to solve it. He was a skilled researcher.

    Freebase dmt is indeed soluble in water at pH 7. I don't know the exact solubility, but it will dissolve to some extent. This is determined by its pKa i believe.

    Look, the melting point and boiling point of NaOH are irrelevant. The scientific term for a solid suspended below it's melting point by a vaporizing liquid is called a "MIST."

    A "mist" is a real thing observed by scientists in labs. It is not imaginary.

    And white dmt smoked out of a nice long pipe with lots of twists and turns is in fact not very harsh at all...

    Enough about this. I've put it to a taste test many, many times and I'd rather not have my throat coated with lye when I go way far out on a fat dmt rip. If your dmt smokes harshly, perhaps it's because you haven't been paying attention to the real masters...

    In fact water is soluble in naptha at least 0.1%. Let's do some rough math. It takes me about 3 liters of naptha to pull a half ounce of dmt. 3000 grams naptha * .1% water = 3 grams of water. i use 25% base, so if I evaporate I will get .75 grams of LYE mixed in my half ounce of dmt. this is NO JOKE!

    I'm curious- who told you there is no such thing as a solid carried by a vaporizing liquid? Was this person a professor, or a professional chemist? I sincerely doubt it.
    you are right that lye can come as unvaporized particle, I should have been clearer about that. Smoking out of a water bong would help with that, but otherwise the sodium carbonate wash is very effective at removing lye as mentioned. I dont understand your first question about why wash the non polar appart from removing lye..? That is exactly the point, removing lye and any other polar impurity that might have come across from bad separation.

    Ijesus was asking about washing crystals to remove lye or other harshness, I was merely suggesting that if he is gonna wash, then better wash it dissolved in non polar as washing crystals will be a very innefective way (the 'dreaded' ammonia wash that many people had problems with). Do you disagree? do you think its better to wash the crystals or not wash at all? because from the rest of your post you seem to imply that it is better to remove residual lye

    That being said, I dont extract with naphtha anymore, I use limonene and I salt out the dmt and later freebase it, so I have no issues with residual lye

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    Sure, water is maybe .1%, NaOH is even MORE polar than water dude...

    A long pipe is less harsh because your DMT is fucking coating the sides of it. Have you ever looked inside the pipes after a good couple tokes? The crystals form, and then MELT because it's DMT.

    I will do an experiment next time I do this - I will use a pH paper or a coloring pH agent to measure pH of the NAPTHA.

    I still don't believe you're inhaling naoh.

    btw how do you go about drying with mgso4, I've never done it and am curious about how that is exactly done.
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    sorry to be so flustered. but i had good batches come out significantly less suitable for sacramental use due to lye contamination when i was first experimenting and evaporating dmt from naptha. the lye burned my lips on several occasions...

    i never worked with the infamous 10% Ammonia wash. it never made sense to me, because i felt that the lye was trapped inside the dmt crystals, so it could not easily be washed away.

    because i already had a mdma/mda experience, i was familiar with MgSO4 as a drying agent and so that was the first thing i tried. it works well.

    i never did the sodium carbonate or bicarb washes much. but i agree they are definitely the procedure if MgSO4 is not used. the most effective method for lye removal would probably be a bicarb wash, followed by MgSO4 drying, freezer precip the product, and one recrystallization.

    this talk of limonene has me intrigued though. endlessness, do you achieve a cleaner freebase by the limonene method than by traditional STB, and a comparable yield also?

    MgSO4 is available from the pharmacy as epsom salts. it is baked in an oven (at 400 Fahrenheit or so) for several hours, and then broken into chunks (or powder) and stored in an air-tight jar until it is used. one big heaping tablespoon full is added to one quart of nonpolar solvent and the jar sealed for 1 hour. the drying agent is then filtered out removing water and lye with it. a scientific filter paper and a vacuum filtration setup would be the nicest way to filter out 100% of the drying agent. but a simple plastic funnel plugged with a cotton ball works pretty well to get 99% of it. never tried a coffee filter, perhaps it beats a cotton ball...

    a traditional freebase dmt pipe is long and has bends in it... in part this is to lower the temperature of the vapor before it reaches your mouth. sure a bit condenses on the side of the pipe, but really, the dude with QP'ers of dmt does not mind... my strongest dmt experience ever was smoking translucent white dmt, in a totally clean pipe, which had 3 bends and at least 15 inches of length. the hit was intended for two people, but my partner didn't smoke much and i was left to "cash" the bowl. it went down totally smooth, yet it was a MASSIVE hit, drawn long, steady, and slow... it first hit me as a body vibration- no sense of having inhaled burning smoke at all. i decided to hold in the rest of the hit, despite the intensity of the quickly rising vibration. what i saw was unreal, yet more real than anything i've ever seen before or since. i don't know the vine nearly as well as i know crystal dmt, but i know it's important also... it would be so nice to be able to drink at first under the guidance of a proper shaman, someone with the wisdom of thousands of years of unbroken training to guide you through the rough spots. considering all the types of aliens and spirits you could get tangled up with, kind guidance is not an excessive luxury... ah well, i just say my prayers and don't worry too much about where the hit will take me...
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    Ok for some reason I was thinking the drying agent would be placed NEAR a container (open) of the solvent and just absorb water vapor at an extremely low rate. Makes much more sense that you put it IN the substance.
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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    Quote Originally Posted by madprossor
    this talk of limonene has me intrigued though. endlessness, do you achieve a cleaner freebase by the limonene method than by traditional STB, and a comparable yield also?
    Not exactly.. If you are looking for white/transluscent crystals, seems a very selective non-polar like naphtha/hexane/heptane is the only way. Limonene being more polar will also pull some plant oils, dmt n-oxide and possibly this secondary beta-carboline alkaloid. If you salt out from limonene using FASI (fumaric acid saturated IPA), and then freebase the precipitated akaloids with sodium carbonate and pull with IPA or Acetone, you get a product that is like yellow wax. It smells absolutely delicious (much less sharp than naphtha crystals, more earthy/flowery/sweet, smell that reminds me a bit of brown sugar). It seems to be even stronger than pure dmt by a slight margin, either because of plant oils working as a heat-shield and allowing for a more efficient vaporization, and/or because of the actions of this secondary alkaloid. The fumarate precipitated from FASI works perfectly for oral administration if thats desired, without the need to freebase them.

    If the limonene is salted with vinegar, then it doesnt crystalize. DMT acetate being hygroscopic so being as a goo, but also the freebased acetates didnt cristalize, at least I couldnt get it to the two times I tried, it stayed as a beautiful ruby/golden goo. So I infused some caapi leaf for a wonderful changa instead.

    So if you want pure white crystals, aliphatic hydrocarbons like naphtha are the way. If you want a product that maybe doesnt look as nice, but is extracted with more natural chemicals that feels really nice to ingest/smoke and is just as strong or even bit stronger (or if you just want to experiment with different extraction methods), go for the limonene way

    btw, I strongly recommend using a vaporgenie for vaporizing dmt. I used to need 50mg using the herb-sandwhich in a bong method (or The Machine too). With the vaporgenie, not only it is incredibly smoother vapour to inhale than both these other methods, but also now I only need maybe 30mg to breakthrough

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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    it may be that limonene is pulling 'jungle spice' out by slight margin,...

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    Personally, I'd like to see less of this kind of post on the board
    The DMT-Nexus » DMT Extraction forum has more than enough of this kind of data in every variation under the sun
    Admins., maybe we could put together a reference page for off-site resources pertaining to this sort of specific data
    There are many other entheogen-related message boards out there, often w a more narrow focus than this site
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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    yeah, i get lazy and never want to login to dmt-nexus though

    BUt yeah, dmt nexus is a funnel of knowledge
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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    indeed, there are also a good amount of people extracting dmt on mycotopia and the shoomery. it's nice to have so many practicing researchers sharing in discussions there. you could probably even find competent free counseling there if your exterrestrial dmt experience results in anal probing and psychic scars

    but, we have a DMT area here on psychonaut too... so it seems appropriate once in a while to discuss dmt extractions here especially if members here have personal experience draw from, right? we could never replace the full spectrum of discussion found in these larger communities, but maybe we could achieve a high signal to noise ratio here- condensing years of talk from elsewhere into days worth here.

    on that note thank you Endlessness for the info on fasa... so you get a waxy lump that smokes smoothly. does it stick to a plastic bag? do you have the melting point for it? the advantage of the powdery stuff is it doesn't melt in a hot car too easily (70C i think is the MP), and it doesn't stick to plastic. so it's easy to handle and pour.

    i have also found "impure" dmt extracts to be more active than pure white dmt, and active in slightly different ways. but the most detailed visual experience i ever had was with white dmt, for whatever reason... so don't write off the pure stuff. about half of people seem to request the lightest shades, and half ask for orange... i think the orange has more of an energy-type body buzz and lasts slightly longer. but wtf do i know, individual trips may vary. and if you ever precip tiny spherical brown balls, i'm still trying to figure out what they are full of... whatever it is they're wicked mixed with some fluffy dmt.

    i worked out a technique for white dmt by repeated recrystallization of the STB extracted yellow stuff using naptha. (the traditional A/B gave a cleaner initial extract, but took about 7x as many days to produce half the yield as my STB.) four iterations would take a bright yellow color crystal to a cream-white color. more pure material would coat the sides of the recrystallization jar, and less pure material the bottom (in layers). 2 ounces of yellow dmt is recrystallized 4-5 times in 4-5 separate vessels (each holding of a separate grade of material you have sorted from the last iteration) to yield one ounce of white dmt and one ounce of yellow, orange, and brown dmt. (there are negligible losses if all naptha is recycled by distillation eventually.) vessels of a tall narrow shape are used, the concentration of dmt in naptha is 14g in 400ml, the vessel and dmt are heated from the bottom until the dmt melts, addition of hot naptha quickly dissolves the melted dmt, the bottom of the vessel is insulated and it is quickly placed in the freezer with the sides directly exposed to the cold. (i think of this a little bit like a "wet sublimation" which causes extra crystals to adhere to the sides.) my workup is always the same- pour off the naptha, then dry the crystals in the jar/vessel with a fan thoroughly before scraping them out.

    i was hoping that fasa could provide a quicker purification technique. but from your experience it may not improve my STB product much. (will try it anyway sometime.) maybe vacuum fractionation is the answer? i had a bad result once trying with a vacuum leak, no column, and a small amount of some kind of dirty xylene extracted dmt. but i know vacuum fractionation is used to purify synthetic dmt made by the oxalyl chloride route with good results. i still don't know if it could help clean up our MHRB extracted stuff. it should, but in the real world things don't always work how they should. has anyone seen any reports positive or negative?

    can anyone confirm that it is "impossible" to create jungle spice by STB? this seems to be my experience. it would suggest that maybe dmt could be "intensified" by heating it in acid solution... maybe the acid converts some of it to a beta-carboline... i extracted pink dmt once long ago, from a certain batch from Sao Paolo extracted by A/B. it was good stuff. but i've never seen red dmt yet...

    one thing i noticed is that if powdered rootbark is stored in excessively hot conditions for awhile, it will give less yellow crystals and more orange "chunks" (containing lots of the n-oxide i think) on extraction. both smoked nicely, but i was glad to have the extra orange chunks people liked those especially. so, that's my best guess for what will happen in long-term storage... the MHRB will retain potency for a good while, but give more n-oxide and less yellow dmt crystal over time.
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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    P.Viridis leaves can be used!

    If the plant you wish to use has a substantial amount of NN-DMT within it. it can be used for extraction process!

    (Mimosa Hostills is about 0.56% DMT Swims thinks ? You can find the % of NN-dmt on the erowid chart below)

    http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/ext ... ide1.shtml

    And there are a array of solvents/chemicals you can use like heptane, ammonia ect to wash your final product of impurities/alkaloids. I would do this if you are worried about how clean your overall product will be!

    Swim just left it through as he is a preety heavy smoker and does not notice the ''harshness'' of your final product

    This tek is relitively easy and is great for 1st timers!

    (just be careful not to shake your product to hard whise emulsions will occur and they are a bitch to overcome!)

    After 2-3 pulls you should be a pro
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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    DMT-Nexus has actually been fraustrating 4 swim!

    When swim had emulsions & asked someone 4 help @ dmt nexus for help, they told swim to put ''salt'' in my solution which completely messed part of my solution. like swim said they double check what you doing if you get advise from that site!

    Plus Psychonaut.com rocks!

    But thats is just swims opinion...........
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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    i never said P. Viridis would not yield DMT by extraction. but i'm pretty sure it would cost at least 10x more per gram of yield than MHRB. plus it is full of chlorophyll which would traditionally be removed by the defat step of a standard A/B. so the TYPICAL utility of P. Viridis would be in ayahuasca brews (and not in chemical extractions.) the TYPICAL utility of MHRB would be in chemical extractions (and not in ayahuasca brews cause you'd puke right away).

    yields of dmt (and dmt-n-oxide) from MHRB can range from 1-2%. the numbers were lower years ago because the traditional A/B resulted in substantial loss of product. i heard someone got 3%.

    personally i have developed extraction methods for MHRB and Syrian Rue which scale better (in good yield and good quality with less labor) than the Teks currently posted as Authoritative on the DMT-nexus. i use about 1/6 the solvent volume as the Noman tek which results in less physical effort. i won't knock Noman- but his Tek gave me no separation and no product in a bucket the first (and only) time i ran it in quantity so I developed an improved variation out of necessity. and the Syrian Rue Teks on the Nexus still advise grinding the seeds. i advise against this based on my actual experience trying both ways. i didn't invent these methods but i did optimize them.

    of course i'm glad that the Nexus is there! they definitely picked up the slack when DMT-World went down.

    i guess the QT Extraction for Students is still at the top of the list at Erowid? (Someone should contact Erowid.) FYI it's probably the most labor intensive, frustrating, low-yielding, and prone-to-fail Tek that there is. if you want a reliable small-scale A/B- Marsofold has it just about right. (just wash your nonpolar and/or dry it, and skip the ammonia wash.)

    if y'all were skilled in this art you might recognize that a tek which produces 42g+ of yellow powder dmt (max yield seen from freezer precip) (and some orange dmt also when the naptha is eventually recycled/concentrated) from 2.5kg rootbark using (3) one gallon extraction vessels in one evening with 30-60 minute separations is no joke. (get it done fast and lower your risks- holmes!)

    if you need a full scaled-up A/B Tek i think i could mostly reconstruct mine from memory. notes have been scattered. i haven't run the A/B since '06 because i had no interest in producing half the yield as STB with 7x as much work.

    btw there is nothing wrong with the advice that NaCl and heat will help break emulsions- it's true. however if you have created a particularly nasty emulsion it will not respond to any of the usual tricks.

    (sorry if i steered anyone wrong with the 10% ammonia wash. i mentioned it only because it was Marsofold's method and i prefixed it with the word maybe.)

    of course there is no one right way to extract dmt. and every kid with a gram that sparkles is now a master... ah well, i got to enjoy being called master prematurely some years ago myself. just make sure you aren't burning peoples throats to hell and sending them into dmt-space in pain and discomfort. no good master would do that!
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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    2B honest swim think this is a preety neat tek 4 a 1st timer who wants to extract dmt! like Madproffessor when you 1st gained interest in say extracting a certain chemical didn't you find it hard to understand some of the technical jargon people used.

    (lke calling caustic soda NOAH or whatever term they use while trying to understand everything that sounds scientificy )

    swim altererd this tek slighty to work well and not be complicated to read or put into practise as when swim 1st browsed these types of sites and saw the extractions they were way to long, had to many chemicals involved, was a complete mindfuck!

    And then theres a compication of having way 2much dmt than u need. 1g shared with some friends on a weekend can give a fair few trips into hyperspace. swim would'nt say this is a normal tek 4 someone who produces it often. but swim had great success with this when 1st tried it apart from the odd emulsion (shaking the dmt shuffle way2hard 4 like 10mins duhhh, lol)

    Some people (like swim) are not masters of extractions and chemical sythesis. And do just want it in plain simple english, this is whole reason this tek was posted. to avoid complication for people like swim who are intriguied in this chemical. all you need for this tek is cleanlyness, the extact measurements and to follow simple step by step guide to get an ok trip (plus it dont involve any fire and the original version of this tek was deleted another reason as 2 why this was posted)

    To sum up why can't we have a simple tek 4 the 1st timers !!!!
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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    This sounds easier than the tek on erowid, can I use it with phalaris grass?

    I agree Vibrancy3, for a newb (me) I don't care to learn all of these scientific names and shit before getting my DMT. People need to make these matters more simple so that anyone can do it, because everyone needs to do it. If we write teks in common-sense language, more simple, so that a baby can understand, then we can spread the knowledge better and DMT will be available to many more people. Or do we want to be elitist?
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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    The deal with phalaris is the cell wall is much more robust, the freezing/refreezing technique is a MUST. soak your plant material in just enough water to cover the plant material, let is soak it up, put it in the freezer for a day, take it out to thaw, repeat 3+ times. Beyond that, you may also find it necessary to defat, where mimosa doesn't need it as much; after freezing/refreezing, put the mushy plant material in acid for a day, preferably warmer than room temp. Then move on with extraction.
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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    About to start my first MHRB extraction today, and just had a quick question. Why is using a Sodium Carbonate solution better than using plain water to wash my DMT/Naptha solution prior to crystalising? I've been told it's to do with changing the PH, and therefore the solubility, of the DMT base in water, but have read elswhere that DMT base isn't soluble in water at all. Have I been mis-informed, or am I barking up the wrong tree? I've been told to use a "pinch" of Sodium Carbonate which makes my OCD cry. Maybe once I understand why I'm using it I can use an actual unit of measurement

    I find reading these TEKs a bit tedious sometimes, as I'd like to understand why I'm doing something rather than just doing it. It makes the whole process more interesting and is helpful when something goes wrong, or if I don't have exactly the same equipment/chemicals. Dont get me wrong they have been great for getting me on the right path, and I find I only get round to asking these questions when I actually start doing something, instead of reading/talking about it!

    Thanks for all the info so far, and wish me luck! Hope to see you all in hyperspace soon

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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    Uhm... What I had thought is that you wash your crystals with the sodium bicarb after extraction, crystallization & washing... This will take out all of your NaOH if there is any left in the crystal structure.

    But that may be ass backwards... sorry I'm not positive
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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    Well what you said is what I got from most of the write-ups. But isn't it better to wash the solution of naphtha/dmt/impurities that you've extracted from the mess and then recrystalize the dmt from the washed naphtha? Still struggling to see the purpose of the the Sodium Carbonate too. I'm an absolute novice so sorry if im confusing the f@ck out of anyone :drinkers:

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    Re: How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way)

    dont wash with pure water and neither with sodium bicarbonate otherwise you might lose some dmt to the water. If you have dmt freebase in crystals, than they arent very soluble in water, in part because they dont have so much surface area exposed to the water, (try dissolving a lump of any substance in water as opposed to it spread out). This is the opposite when, say, dmt is dissolved in a solvent and it will all be very exposed to a wash.

    Here's some good info

    DMT's pka is 8.68. This means that at pH 8.68 50% is freebased. At pH 9.68 90% is freebased. At pH 10.68 99% is freebased. At pH 11.68 99.9% is freebased. At pH 12.68 99.99% is freebased.
    Sodium carbonate can take the pH up to 11.5. So it can freebase close to 99.9% of all the DMT for each pull.
    Pure water normally has much lower pH than that, meaning a significant amount of your dmt will be in water soluble form. Sodium bicarbonate only raises the water to around ph 9 if im not mistaken, which means you will still be losing some dmt.. Better use sodium carbonate for making the wash. You can transform sodium bicarbonate to carbonate easily by putting it in the oven on max for a couple of hours. Weigh it before, and weigh after, and it should have lost about a third of the weight when its done

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