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    help with san pedro

    hello all, I was wondering if this was San pedro.DSC01468.jpg thx

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    Re: help with san pedro

    it looks a lot like it to mee. Where did you find it?

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    Re: San Pedro - night or day?

    The night has always been fine for me. The San Pedro trip can get very colorful, and a few tiny light sources will seem like a full blown discotheque to you.
    If you can make it late at night so that you will be able to see the sun rise while still tripping, that will be awesome, I guarantee!
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    Re: San Pedro - night or day?

    Traditionally, daytime San Pedro is about celebration, connection, community, connecting with nature... great to do with other people, great to get outside and connect with plants, the earth, etc.

    Night time San Pedro is more about inward journey... sitting in one spot, going inside you. Also the opportunity to connect with the stars... and to greet the dawn, to feel the whole world wake up around you.

    Both are beautiful, just different experiences.

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    Re: help with san pedro

    No, it isn't. Maybe a cuzcoensis

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    Re: help with san pedro

    Actually now looking back I think nepenthes is right, the spines dont match that of a San Pedro.

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    Re: Number of spines of san pedro fable?

    I am thinking this: Plants have the ability to multiply their chromosomes to enhance certain traits such as size and numbers of leaves, spines, flowers etc. If the genes controlling the number of spines occur on the same chromosomes as the genes that control how much mescaline is produced in an individual plant then that would mean that San Pedros with more spines might be capable of producing more mescaline simply because they have more copies of said chromosome.

    However, I feel the reality of the situation might very well be far more complicated than that.

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    Re : Number of spines of san pedro fable?

    I believe that the number of ribs can change the strength, but not the effects of the cactus... it is still the same molecule, mescaline is mescaline, no ?
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    Re: Number of spines of san pedro fable?

    I think that the less ribs a cactus has then the lower the volume of the plant would be when compaired to its surface area. A plant with more ribs has a higher volume to surface area ratio. The mescaline and other alkoliods are said to be produce in the layer just below the wax in the surface of the skin, in lower volume to surface area ratios then their is more of this layer per gram of the plant.The alkoloids are produced in relation to stress and small plants with low volume to surface area will become stressed by say cold air or drought far more easily.This in my opinion would cause the cactus to produce more mescaline/alkoloids in responce.
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    Re: Number of spines of san pedro fable?

    and to add to this, I do not think the number of ribs would cause a "bad" trip or dark experience. Other than the self influencing trip where the belief that a bad trip will happen causes the bad trip to happen. Good trip, Bad trip its all down the user.

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    Re: help with san pedro

    Do noy eat that plant!

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    Re: help with san pedro

    It's a cactus, fuck mayn. You can dose at like 20 bucks a pop, just order it. Then at least you'll be sure and save yourself a fuckload of finger pricks.

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    Re: help with san pedro

    and no, it looks to spiney to be san pedro.

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    Re: Number of spines of san pedro fable?

    Hope it's not true cause mine has 4!

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    Re: Number of spines of san pedro fable?

    My message is totally my own theory so easily ignored. The native people who use these cacti as ethogenic tools asigned great spiritual meaning to the variouse differences in the plants which are lost on most western cultures. The 4 ribbed expression is said to represent the 4 winds and therefore has more medicinal power due to the more intricate ties with their belief system. Also when brewed its usually not just the single cacti that is included. Other cacti and herbs are added to alter the meaning and function of the brew some contain monoamine oxidase inhibitors causing other not normally potent alkaloids to become active and already potent to last longer. These are not recreational drugs they are spiritual tools used to dignose and treat disease of the body and soul. I think in western cultures where its use is primarily recreational/explorational the subtle differences would not be so important. I think you should be more concered with the method and quality of the brew to ensure as much as possible of the alkaliods are rescued for consumption.

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    Re: Number of spines of san pedro fable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Christiaan26 View Post
    Ribs
    Each San Pedro cactus can vary in number of ribs, according to “The Hummingbirds’ Journey to God”, by Ross Heaven, this can determine the experience and therefore application of the plant.
    Seven and nine ribs generates “gentle and beautiful brews. Those with six or eight are not so strong, while elevens-13 can be very intense but also sometimes dark, however, those with four ribs we only ever use for exorcisms. You don’t ever want to try a San Pedro like this; the visions are horrible and take you to Hell” *1

    I have heard this before. I am a bit doubtfull about this. Is there any scientific research or any evidence to back this up?
    Cacti produce mescaline. Maybe some cacti produce more mescaline and maybe the ribs may say something about the amount of mescaline produced. However mescaline is mescaline, when a cacti produces more mescaline it,s a matter of dose.

    To be honest i do not know?

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    Re: San pedro

    Quote Originally Posted by Lytheon View Post
    high all,
    Me and a friends bought a 14cm San pedro cactus (costs: 50 euros), at the smartshop they told us that one cactus of this size is enough for 2 trips but at the azarius website i've read that one need 5 a 8 medium sized (10 a 12cm) cacti to have 1 trip, at the erowid site i've read that one needs 400 a 500 grams of fresh material.
    Does anyone knows the exact dose for a strong experience?
    We want to ingest the cactus the traditional way , by eating it.

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    Re: help with san pedro

    Quote Originally Posted by legends08 View Post
    hello all, I was wondering if this was San pedro.DSC01468.jpg thx
    Although it is of the family. it would yield negligible amounts of mescaline.

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    Re: San pedro

    Quote Originally Posted by MeneerCactus View Post
    You need 350 mg mescaline to trip.

    About 1 % of the dried wait of the cacti contains mescaline.

    Take your calculator and give it a try.

    If your answer is right I sent you a print if you like !!!!!

    I have a 15-18 cm cactus, when is the earliest i can harvest it with it dying?

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    Re: San pedro

    Salve ,mi sono iscritta da poco su questo sito e volevo descrivere dei momenti vissuti con il maestro S. Pedro ..
    Ricordo una fase di sublime e nirvana pace interiore, ma a un certo punto mi succese una cosa un po particolare.
    é come se mi trovassi nel centro di una spirale,ma nn è che la vedevo è come se la percepivo..
    Dopodiche mi sono sentita destrutturata, è come se il mio ego e tutte le mie ''armature'' si fossero fermate in questa spirale,finchè
    nel centro mi ci trovai io Pura come una bimba senza ego.. Mi sentivo cosi piccola. (questa spiarale mi faceva pensare a quella aurea di fibonacci)
    Secondo voi cosa significa..?
    Centrerà davvero qulcosa lìaurea di fibonacci, o magari era solo pura imaginazione)?
    In oltre feci molti pensieri del tipo, ma allora le altre persone or mi sebrano cosi finte.. con cosi tante sovrastrutture inutili e rinchiusi nella loro mente..
    Fin'ora ho anchio vissuto cosi..nella mente nell'illusione..
    Anziche nel qui ed ora, nella realtà come davvero in quel momento mi stava succedendo.
    Comunque il mattino dopo, passatomi oramai l'effetto quando vedevo le persone intorno a me , si sembrava di ''entrarvi meglio'' come quasi andassero a rallentatore.
    Molti stressati o psichicmente ammalati,con il muso e il viso grottesco..
    E pensai spesso anchio ho dei pensieri, e non presto mai davvero attenzione a chi ho intorno alle persone,quel giorno avevo la mente sgombra e piu lucida non mi sfuggiva quasi nulla di cio che avevo intorno !
    Un altra domanda, per sgomberare la mente e prestare meglio attenzione al qui ed ora e cio che abbiamo intorno, anche la meditazione puo essere utile, giusto?

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    Re: San pedro

    Ciao Sara!! Questa qui è la sezione inglese, converrebbe che parlassi con questo idioma!! Se vuoi continuare a scrivere in italiano sei liberissima, solo che poi parleremo solo io e te -non che la cosa mi dispiaccia, però, così, per onesta e cortesia...... (comunque, per comunicare in italiano, ti rimando a questo forum, va bene? https://psiconauti.net/forum/ )



    Riguardo la Spirale Aurea, penso assolutamente di sì, è proprio come dici; ho anche seguito svariate conferenze sulla Geometria Sacra ed è pur certo che la Natura, il Cosmo, abbia scelto questa forma armonica per svilupparsi!



    "Un altra domanda, per sgomberare la mente e prestare meglio attenzione al qui ed ora e cio che abbiamo intorno, anche la meditazione puo essere utile, giusto?"

    Ci hai preso in pieno!! Puoi meditare, sia da statica -la "classica" da seduta (vedi se nella tua città c'è Sahaja Yoga ad esempio), che in movimento -Tai Chi Taoista, Yoga, Pilates, ......., e anche fare degli esercizi di respirazione (puoi iniziare cercando su internet video o testi che spieghino come respirare di diaframma!); poi per fare centro puoi leggere i testi illuminati, induisti, indiani, cristiani


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