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    Quote Originally Posted by GOD
    If you didnt extract the seeds did you eat them ? If you do an extraction your going to get a mixed extraction so why not just use water in the first place ?
    with water ? You mean eating the seeds with water ? That's what i've been doing in the past years. When I think about douches -the kind who play football and think Transformers is a film of finest quality- well douches who build up a whole pride about drinking loads of alcohol, i wish they know how badly gross drinking ipomeas seeds is.
    However, i've never puked or sharted my pants with LSA, i may be lucky.
    Recently i've introduced a friend to the magical seeds. He puked his bowels out, then he said "never, never again". 2 weeks later, he gave it another shot, then he puked, then "never, never again".
    So we decided to extract the LSA from the seeds.



    Quote Originally Posted by Pariah
    I suggest the fridge, because in the past I would store at room temperature, and I did notice over time (a couple of months between each trip), that the experience was more of a bodily feeling, than the visuals and distortions I got from the fresh stuff. This may just be me subjectively affecting the result, but it may make sense if one of the amides is losing activity (the "more psychedelic" ones), while others aren't.

    Freezing has a downside of the process of freeze/thaw on "delicate" compounds.
    I've also noticed drinking infusions of LSA with lemon juice might speed up the effects. But i could be my imagination.
    THough i'm quite radical about HBWR. The effects differs from 'regular' ipomeas seeds. With HBWR the trip is more intellectual/philosophical, whereas with ipomeas it's more physical/visual/emotional. Might be like weed.

    I've asked on a scientific forum if freezing LSA (-0░C) is a good thing to do. I'll let you know.

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    No i ment powdering the seeds and making a cold water extract then filtering the mass off and drinking the water . Thats the traditional way of doing it and the main nasty ingredient doesnt come over in the water
    If in doubt double the dose

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    Cold water. Are you serious ? How can you achieve to disolve lsa with cold water. Usually it needs to be hot. That's what i did, after having powdered the seeds of course. Then filter, then add some lemon juice, and a hint of sugar. Drink, and be a man son.
    But I used to eat the most of powdered seeds i can. So why use an infusion ? Because it quicken up the effects.

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    Thats the traditional way of doing it and the main nasty ingredient doesnt come over in the water . Eating the powder that contains the main nasty ingredient is probably why you didnt feel optimal .
    If in doubt double the dose

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    LSA extraction done : need further instructions

    hello everybody.
    I'm currently trying to extract LSA from Heavenly Blue Morning Glory seeds. I followed these steps :

    1 : grind 50 grams of MG seeds.
    2 : put them in a non-polar solvant : i've choosed naphta aka fluid for lighters.
    3 : wait for 3 days
    4 : kick out the naphta, keep the seeds
    5 : add alcohol (ethanol 95%)
    6 : wait for three days
    7 : pour alcohol into a plate :
    8 : wait until it's evaporated.

    What i got is a brown gum (i was expecting a yellow stuff), wading into a oily liquid.
    What is this liquid ?
    I've got two hypothesis about that :
    -It's naphta residue. Indeed, I didn't wash my seeds with water between step 4 and step 5.
    -It's alcohol residue. I don't know how is the law abroad, but here in France you cannot sell alcohol(95%) just like that : you have to add stuff into it which will prevent drunkards from drinking it : we call this denatured alcohol. However I phoned the technical director of the company which sells the alcohol : he told me all the things they add to the ethanol are volatil.

    So really i don't know what to do. Did I do the thing in the proper way ? Or is it just a waste of ipoema seeds ?[/list]

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    don't worry, its what your looking for *, I get a brown gum, and it works a treat, although I extract HBWR.

    I assume you let the naptha evaporate till the seeds were bone dry - crushing the seeds further at this point can help with evaporation and extraction.

    I'm concerned about your use of denatured alcohol, its not really good practice, especially when there are better alternatives, you can use a drying agent on vodka, or be patient with evaporation and use 40% vodka on its own.

    The drying agent thing is less complicated than you might think - browse through the LSA threads, and you'll find one on drying, as well as plenty of other useful info.

    *[Edit]: Typo
    It's kinda like being shot out of a cannon in slow motion.

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    I think the answer to my question is there : http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Extraction/naptha.html

    the majority of the lighter fluid evaporated in the first five hours, now at twenty hours there is a gummy/oily residue in the bottom of the pan that is not evaporating... I believe that this is a fraction of less volatile hydrocarbons in the mixture, and quite frankly I dont know if it is ever going to evaporate.

    Bear in mind that I am verrrry cautious when discussing what you can and should not ingest, but my personal opinion is that this crap would be harmless if ingested orally
    next time, i'll wash my seeds before putting them into alcohol.

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    I think the guy in the quote is making things more complicated than they need to be.

    use the glass test - a drop on a clean glass surface - dry with no residue = safe.

    I don't think naptha is a problem, infact I think you've succeeded in your extraction, my only real concern is the use of denatured alcohol - did you get a list of "ingredients" of the denatured alcohol? most are "just" 10% methanol, but you said it was 95% ethanol...
    It's kinda like being shot out of a cannon in slow motion.

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    the alcohol i used is made up of :

    ethanol = 95%
    methanol = between 1 and 5%
    other chemicals which can be in this list :

    • Acetaldehyde
      Acetone N F
      Acetaldol
      Almond oil, bitter N F
      Ammonia. aqueous
      Anethole U S P
      Anise oil U S P
      Bay oil (myrcia oil) N F
      Benzaldehyde N F
      Benzene
      Bergamot oil N F
      Bone oil (apples oil)
      Bonc acid U S P
      Brucine alkaloid
      Brucine sulfale N F IX
      n-Butyl alcohol S D A 44
      ten-Butyl alcohol S D A 39. 39-A 39-8. 40,40-A. 40-8
      Camphor U.S.P. S D.A 27, 27-A. 38-8
      Caustic soda, liquid S.D A. 36
      Cedar leaf oil U.S.P. Xlll S.D.A. 38-8
      Chloroform S.D.A. 20
      Chlorothymol N.F. S.D.A. 38-8; 38-F
      Cinchonidine S.D.A. 39-A
      Cinchonidine sulfate N.F. IX S.D.A. 39-A
      Cinnamic aldehyde (cinnamaldehyde) N.F. IX S.D.A. 38-8
      Cinnamon oil (cassia oil) U.S.P. S.D.A. 38-8
      Citronella oil, natural S.D.A. 38-8
      Clove oil U.S.P. S.D.A. 27-A; 38-0
      Coal tar U.S.P. S.D.A. 38-8
      Denatonium benzoate N F. (Bitrex) S.D.A. 1.40-8
      Diethyl phthalate S.D.A. 39-8; 39-C
      Ethvl acetate
      Ethyl ether
      Eucalvotus oil N.F
      Eucalyptol U.S.P.
      Eugeibl U S.P.
      Formaldehyde solution U.S.P. S.D.A. 22; 38-C; 38-D
      Gasoline C D A 18. 19. 20, S D A 28-A
      Glycerol U S P S D A 31-A
      Guaiacol N F S D A 38-8
      Iodine U S P S D A 25 25-A
      Kerosene C.D.A. 18; 19: 20
      Lavender oil U.S.P. S.D A. 27-8; 38-8
      Mercuric iodide, red N.F. S.D.A. 42
      Methyl alcohol S.D.A. 3-A; 30
      Methylene blue N.F. S.D.A. 4
      Menthol U.S.P. S.D.A 37; 38-8; 38-C; 38-D; 38-F
      Methyl isobutyl ketone C D A 18.19,SDA 1 , S D A 23-H
      Methyl normal-butyl ketone C D A 18,19,SDA 1
      Methyl violet (methylrosaniline chloride) S D A 33
      Methyl violet (methylrosaniline chloride) U S P S D A 33
      Mustard oil volatile (allyl isothiocyanate) U S P XI1 S D A
      Nicotine solution
      Peppermint oil U S P
      Phenol U S P
      Phenyl mercuric benzoate
      Phenyl mercunc chlonde N F IX
      Phenyl mercuric nitrate N F
      Phenyl salicylate (salol) N F
      Pine needle oil dwarf N F
      Pine oil N F
      Pine tar N F
      Polysorbate 80 U S P
      Potassium iodide U S P
      Pyridine bases
      Pyronate
      Quassia, fluid extract of N F VI1
      Quassin
      Quinine N F
      Quinine bisulfate N F
      Quinine hydrochloride U S P
      Ouinine sulfate U S P
      Resorcin U.S.P.
      Rosemary oil N.F.
      Rubber hydrocarbon solvent
      Salicylic acid U S P
      Shellac (refined)
      Soap, hard N F
      Soap, medicinal soft U S P
      Sodium iodide U S P
      Sodium, metallic
      Sodium salicylate U S P
      Spearmint oil N F
      Spearmint oil terpeneless
      Spike lavender oil, natural
      Storax U S P
      Sucrose octa-acetate
      Thimerosal N F
      Thyme oil N F
      Thymol N F
      Tolu balsam U S P
      Toluene
      Turpentine oil N F
      Vinegar
      Wintergreen (Methyl salicylate) U S P


    I asked on a scientific forum if those "other chemicals" are volatil. Someone answered me they are, because they are (I'm not a chemist at all) azeotropes, which means you can't separate them from alcohol by distillation.

    Hence the use of denatured alcohol must be safe.

    50 grams of seeds.
    50/2 because i expect to lose 50% in the process
    25/3 = 8 grams.
    Hence i've chosen to eat a third of the gum i got.

    will post in a few hours

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    What sort of alcohol have you used ? It doesnt sound like something i would want to use .

    The extraction seems to have worked but part of the residue could be the aditives to the alcohol you used . You shouldnt be eating it .
    If in doubt double the dose

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    I used denatured alcohol made by Onyx. As I've already said : i phoned the technical director of the company. Told me everything in their alcohol is volatil. Had a confirmation about that on another scientific forum.

    Anyway, I've eaten a third of what i got. It should be equal to a 8 grams trip.

    Result : strictly no effects apart the fact i'm pissed off.

    So i don't know, maybe the additives reacted with LSA. I'll try Pariah's vodka method soon and let you know

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    it usualy contains pyridine,methyl violet (if colored) and castor oil.

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    LSA extraction question

    So here's the extraction SWIM wants to complete:

    1. wash with cold water/detergent (if necessary)

    2. Ground morning glory seeds to a fine dust

    3. (polar) Soak ground seeds in naptha (zippo lighter fluid, etc.)

    4. Filter seeds and throw out liquid

    5. Dry seeds

    6. Repeat steps 3-5 a few times

    7. (non polar) Soak seeds in high proof alcohol (everclear, etc.)

    8. Filter seeds and keep liquid

    9. Dry seeds

    10. Repeat steps 7-9 a few times

    11. Put liquid in a large flat pan/tray and let dry in a cool & dark place

    12. Once dry, scrape up remaining gummy, yellow residue

    Then SWIM plans on holding the residue lump in his/her/its ( ) mouth and let the goodness be absorbed by the mucus membranes in the mouth. Once SWIM cannot stand the taste anymore, SWIM will gulp down a glass of grapefruit juice.

    But there are just a few problems/questions:

    -About how long should the naptha/alcohol bath be?
    -What alternatives are there to everclear?
    -What alternatives are there to everclear for persons under the age of 21?
    -Is the alcohol bath required?*
    -Is there a easier and more effective extraction method?
    -Is extraction required for best results?

    *SWIM hears that there are two substances within the morning glory seeds that cause nausea, fish eye vision, etc. and the only way to remove these substances is with some high proof alcohol like ethanol.

    All comments & suggestions appreciated!

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    I don't know. I never used a extraction method for LSA . I am not a chemist.

    I always use HBWR not MG. I tried MG a couple off time,s with little success.
    A friend of mine simple mashed up seeds sucked on them some time and it, then spit it out.

    Myself I use a water filtration. I mash them up, put the powder in water for more then 10 hours.
    Filter it using a coffee filter. Drink the water. Shake and tremble while drinking the water.

    You need a good amount of water for it to work. I think 2 big cups will do the trick.

    Maybe your method for extraction is better. Let me know how it worked out.
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    that's the method i think i will try sometime this summer. not having to consume the seeds sounds like the way to go. maybe start with 7-8 seeds as I'm a moderately experienced tripper

    have you ever gotten nausea from HBWR?
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    Mumu, i will probably end up using your method of simply soaking in water. Have you ever developed nausea from MG?

    st.bot, I've never used HBWR so i wouldnt know... lol are you even asking me?

    Whose method are you referencing: mine or mumu's?

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    Yes I have been nauseas little bit. One time I puked, other times I didn't but felt a little sick. But most of my trips with HBWR and MG i had no problems
    The feeling of LSA is a bit intoxicating. Some people like it others don't.
    I was with Oknayd, and he didn't like it at all. He keep looking at me like, what do you like about this. He was not feeling so well. I on the other hand had a great time.

    What I think is so sweet of HBWR is that the next day I usually feel very peaceful.
    I remember the first time I took HBWR. The trip was very light but nice. The next day was full of light, but not in a manic way. Just very silent and peaceful. I was amazed about this.
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    ya sorry evered, i was refering to magickmumu's method
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    I think this is a dead post but lsa, along with lsd are acids, they are fairly soluble in water, even cold water. The bad taste of the seeds is fairly insoluble... until its hot water, then they both come out.

    Just wash your powedered seeds about 4 times with cold water. should taste and feel fine !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pariah
    plant a fair number of them in spring (assuming you've got access to soil / a garden)?
    This is slightly off topic but I actually did this in a few pots on my window sill, and I'm curious how to pollinate them. They are inside and cannot be moved outside without serious damage to the plant. Is there anyway I can convince the existing plant to seed or should I just replant new seeds outside?
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    I suppose you could pollinate them yourself, why not !

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    i dont understand how a cold water extraction works.. i always thought that you needed heat to extract.. when i think of the process, cold just doesnt make sence to me.
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    Amides are very soluble in water, they do not require heat, besides too high of a heat could harm the substance...

    Just need to grind it well I guess !

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    Re: LSA extraction done : need further instructions

    Yesterday i retrieved the mg seeds from a vine... Today i bought petroleum ether. It says 60-80* C wondering if I've taken the right chemical. And I just couldn't arranged the required percentage of alcohol Can I use like any alcohol having 40-50 % alcohol instead(desi sharab),will this be okay to do so.And please tell me about evaporation procedure, like in what environment it should b left for evaporation. I don't have lab so I cant arrange vacuum. I request you to reply asap. As my step one is on the move already.

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    Re: LSA extraction

    I'm going to try this after I harvest enough seeds.

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    Re: LSA extraction

    I think LSD is strange and great i had my most uncounscious trip with it (i took 3500ug from the cleanest amsterdam LSD ever) i was in an other world i barely remember what happened in real i understood the universe, but you have drugs such as 2CE or DOI, DOC that can bring you way more visual hallucination. You say that 500 to 800ug is a 8 hours trip but dude LSD-25 and either his cousin PRO-LAD, ALD-52, ETH-LAD and 1P-LSD are active at 25ug, a medium trip is 70ug and strong trip is 100 to 150ug for 12h triping balls depend on the person, but i dont think the dealer who sell you 800ug LSD dose is selling you LSD, because 800ug would still be for a regular consumer a massive dose that would make him trip for more than 24h. 25i-NBOM is active and sold from 800ug to 1500ug generally and is not from lysergic family but from 2CX family and so it have nothing in comon with LSD. Lsd is mostly sold liquid in small dropper or in blotter form, the blotter and drops contains in average 70ug to 150ug max. If its its pills you have strong chance that your lsd is 2CE mixed with a bit DOB. If you want to detect false LSD you just have to use a black lamp LSD and family analogue will react and become flashing blue. You can find lsd in crystal but its very dangerous to hold as 1mg = 1000ug wich is consider to be 10 doses (strong) of LSD. And 2000ug of LSD is extremely dangerous to anyone who is not hardcore tripper as its like taking 20 strong trip of LSD it can be harmefull and bring you to hospital, may cause you psychose and you may hurt yourself but it will not be wastefull as lsd dont have High potency limit so more you take more you get high and you can rich K-All. And when you make your own acid there is no way to calculate the amount of LSD as it need 60% purity to become crystal and so potency can be 40% diffrent from a crystal to an other and only testing with mass spectrometre will tell you the purity wich is not a comon chemist tools :p. So be carefull and remember dark light show you instantly what is lsd or not

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