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    Kyphosus fuscus

    Kyphosus fuscus also known as the dreamfish
    http://www.erowid.org/animals/fish/fish_info1.shtml

    i googled "kyphosus fuscus" and i didn't even find a picture of the fish.

    anyone have more info? my feeling says 5-meo-dmt... (~the frog)
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    omg, in what world we live..
    how could that fish be legal? :shock: oh..its more then one

    It is a good viewpoint to see the world as a dream. When you have something like a nightmare, you will wake up and tell yourself that it was only a dream.

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    i'd like to second the call for any further information regarding kyphosus fuscus or other psychoactive fish
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    “ On my naming day when I come 12 I gone front spear and kilt a wyld boar he parbly ben the las wyld pig on the Bundel Downs any how there hadnt ben none for a long time befor him nor I aint looking to see none agen. He dint make the groun shake nor nothing like that when he come on to my spear he wernt all that big plus he lookit poorly. He done the reqwyrt he ternt and stood and clattert his teef and made his rush and there we wer then. Him on 1 end of the spear kicking his life out and me on the other end watching him dy. I said, 'Your tern now my tern later.' ”
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    i am very curious about this too.

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    spost to contain dmt. so are wee. im not smoking it.google Sarpa Salpa, or icthyoallyeinotoxism. then try to say it. it seems several species may contain indoles

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    thank you much
    ichthyoallyeinotoxism turns up good results in google
    All posts by magickpencil are works of fiction; any relation to real persons or events is purely coincidental

    “ On my naming day when I come 12 I gone front spear and kilt a wyld boar he parbly ben the las wyld pig on the Bundel Downs any how there hadnt ben none for a long time befor him nor I aint looking to see none agen. He dint make the groun shake nor nothing like that when he come on to my spear he wernt all that big plus he lookit poorly. He done the reqwyrt he ternt and stood and clattert his teef and made his rush and there we wer then. Him on 1 end of the spear kicking his life out and me on the other end watching him dy. I said, 'Your tern now my tern later.' ”
    - Russell Hoban, RIDDLEY WALKER

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    its possible different species produce these lovelly toxins at different times of yhe year. ever read the serpent and the rainbow? the puffer fishes the zombi poison is made from are deadly at certain times of the year and almost edible at others. i know its not the same fish but it may be linked to breading cycle etc. more research i think. there should be a prize for the first in this forum to smoke one

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    yeah-a bit like the toad thing, but but, its an animal, swallowing it live means you have to kill it (by stomach acid-lovely way to go eh?) to trip, i mean, for dmt why not just get it out of philarus (sp?) grass-not that plants are any less sentient than animals, but its much easier to talk and explain to a plant that your going to take some of it, and if its allright and what for, than talking to a fish-or for me, idk, just personally i try to be as unharmful to everything around me as possible and using grass that understand what your doing and why seems less harmful than swallowing a live fish-i mean, seriousely, is the experience any different?
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    my understanding is that the fish is cooked
    All posts by magickpencil are works of fiction; any relation to real persons or events is purely coincidental

    “ On my naming day when I come 12 I gone front spear and kilt a wyld boar he parbly ben the las wyld pig on the Bundel Downs any how there hadnt ben none for a long time befor him nor I aint looking to see none agen. He dint make the groun shake nor nothing like that when he come on to my spear he wernt all that big plus he lookit poorly. He done the reqwyrt he ternt and stood and clattert his teef and made his rush and there we wer then. Him on 1 end of the spear kicking his life out and me on the other end watching him dy. I said, 'Your tern now my tern later.' ”
    - Russell Hoban, RIDDLEY WALKER

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    There are no known underwater plants or animals that get you high or cause trips . Toxic is a rubber word . Any chemical that doesnt belong to your body that causes physiological changes is a toxin . Psilocybin is by that definition a toxin , but , is it toxic = does it do you any harm ? = NO . The reports of underwater drug plants and fish are very old , they come from the time when the books by Schuldes and Hofmann and people like them were written . They listed all the plants and animals that have been said to cause psychoactive efects . The rest is speculation without research .

    Toads nor dream fish get eaten alive .

    The dream fish , toxic , toxin is not DMT . The poisonous dream fish is said to contain indoles......... so does horse / dog / cat / human / your shit .

    There are chemical reasons why known hallucinogens cant grow underwater .

    Please show me the 100s of personal reports of people having trips from eating fish that if it were possible you would find all over the net ??? Please tell me the name of the "hallucinogen" that they contain ??? Please show me the personal reports of people taking the pure chemical and getting trips ???

    This is on the same level as drinking flyagaric piss ............ HEARSAY = heresy...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by magickpencil
    thank you much
    ichthyoallyeinotoxism turns up good results in google
    is your search engine broken?

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    OH Drugless !!!! you edited your post !!! Thanks for the link , keep them comming......... BUT......

    " The Fly Agaric Amanita muscaria is the famous white-spotted red toadstool beloved of children's book illustrators.They are widely known as one of the few poisonous fungi in the UK, but it is not generally realised that this is because they are in fact strongly psychedelic. Eaten raw, they cause stomach cramps, hallucinations1 and, possibly, death.In some parts of Europe they have long been associated with magic and legend. In Lapland, reindeer regularly get high on them and are seen to leap around, giving rise to the story of Santa's flying reindeer. Lapps have a custom of deliberately feeding them to their deer, and then collecting and drinking the urine because most of the toxins are filtered out by the reindeer's digestive system. "

    They are not poisonous . Eaten raw in normal amounts they dont cause deaths . Who ? When ? Where ?

    They are not strongly hallucinogenic .

    Reindeer dont get high on them . A fuckin reindeer weighs half a fuckin ton how the fuck is it going to ingest enough , fresh mushrooms , fast enough to get a drug experience . Remember the drug , ibotenic acid , is transformed into the active muscarin / muscimol by the body and the body needs to ingest 80% more than it needs , to get an effect .

    Jumping reindeer didnt give rise to the storys of santas flying rudolphs........ it came from a coca cola advert in the 30s or 40s of the last century .

    People in lapland dont give them to reindeer and dont drink reindeer piss........... Why ?????? REINDEER DONT PISS UREA !!!!!

    " In some parts of Europe they have long been associated with magic and legend."

    THATS RIGHT .
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    started to doubt it myself. too much- reported to,s and maybes. i like proof myself so untill i see some IM AGREEING WITH GOD! except the fish bit i think thats :wink:

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    "There are chemical reasons why known hallucinogens cant grow underwater . "

    = try making a cup of tea under water !!!!!!!

    We had a thread about the same theme a few months ago and after a bit of research i came to the conclusion that under water drugs are a load of bollocks . If you look for the thread you may see why .
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    i read the thread b4. cells can contain water soluble chemicals v efficiently. cell membrains contain ion and protein pumps. water solubility has nothing to do with it. lipid membranes are studded with such mechanisms. thats why seaweed can contain 1000s of times motre salts (iodine, manganese etc) and maintain perfect osmotic pressure. your own nerve cell membranes seperate + from - ions to procuce potential difference. if they can controll movement of ions huge molecules are simple. salmon dont fill with water when they leave the sea, they produce more glomerular filtrate then reabsorb the salt, pissing dilute. when they first enter the sea they piss little but its very salty.

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    Yes , i know that , i wasnt sure if you did , and as no trick is to bad and no blow to low for me i thought i would throw it in and see what happens . There was an explenation somewhere from one of our beloved scientists , i think it was uncle Alexander , that it was imposible . If i remember where i will post it , in the mean time dont believe everything you see and hear..........
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    find the thread, change my brain. its something im interested in. heres one youll love. ive held in my hand a nudibranch (sea slug) that excreats h2so4, high molarity. answer me this how? i cant remember its name(it doesnt have a common name) but i will. prettyfucking impossible but true.

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    OK . And in the mean time you answer or find the answers to these questions :-

    Please show me the 100s of personal reports of people having trips from eating fish that if it were possible you would find all over the net ???

    Please tell me the name of the "hallucinogen" that they contain ???

    Please show me the personal reports of people taking the pure chemical and getting trips ???


    You edit them faster than i can reply !!!

    What PH does horse piss have ? Or the juices in your stomach ?
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    stomach 2-3, horse piss i dont know yet, ill go find out if i can get it to hold still. depends if its ill, been drinking orange juice. or bicarbonate. cant find my dive log book so cant tell you nudibranch(what does that mean, god) name.
    heres one for you- what does silocybe mean? if you answer that ill answer you

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    A nudibranch is a underwater snail thing wotsit wot ain gota shell .

    silocybe could be several things and you still havent answered my questions...................
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    nudi(naked) branch(gill), psilo(bald) cybe(head). what question?

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    So you are a marine biology student . Do you dive in your kilt ? And did you know that in every liter of sea water there is at least 1 molecule of piss that jesus pissed , and that the sea is salty because fish have been pissing in it for 2 billion years........

    Nr.1........ you cant answer my questions can you ?

    "Please show me the 100s of personal reports of people having trips from eating fish that if it were possible you would find all over the net ???

    Please tell me the name of the "hallucinogen" that they contain ???

    Please show me the personal reports of people taking the pure chemical and getting trips ??? "

    And

    Nr.2 Psilocybe and silocybe are not nesecerily the same thing . Thats as if i asked you where the christmas islands are - because there are two diferent ones .


    Sounds like a groovy job , twould be good to hear more about peoples jobs and skills . Its easy sitting here being who we are without knowing or taking into acount other peoples skills , knowledge and experience . Especialy for me with my artistic metal work O level .
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    ive got metalwork too. nothing wrong with that, and no im not a marine biologist its an interest is all.. like your a micologist.as for evidence i dont have any but have seen reports from several sources. enough to convince me there is SOMETHING in it, even if not dmt. so your right i cant prove anything. id like to find out more and even give it a go if the pet shop gets them in. as for diving in my kilt of cource i do, thats all we wear being heathens. cant get a drysuit over a kilt. were getting indoor toilets soon

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    "were getting indoor toilets soon"

    Bollocks !!! How do you dig the hole each time , AND , their aint no grass inside so what you gonna wipe yer arse on ???? . I think that its just a government roumor to spread trouble through the population . Personaly i shit on the newspaper , pack it up and throw it out the window .

    If you want to give it a go maybe you should ask your local japanese fisherman ....... asia / japan store ............ if they have them in darkest scotland .

    I used to be a barbarian , but then i shaved it off .
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    hahahahahah. whats a newspaper? we cant all live in a fancy windmill wearing our fancy clogs. its the 3rd world up here. going about with your social tolerance, decent culture and relaxed atitudes to sex. it makes me sick

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    "whats a newspaper?"

    Ha ! Ha ! There you give your class away !!! I didnt know what news papers were untill me dad moved up in the world and we moved into a skip behind the slaughter hause .
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    Quote Originally Posted by GOD
    "There are chemical reasons why known hallucinogens cant grow underwater . "
    Then explain how come neurotransmitters such as serotonin can "grow under water" and related substances like DMT not. I'm sceptic about this...
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    If you can find the original thread ?
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    I did find an article using Web of Knowledge about the "dreamfish"
    source is: Clinical Toxicology, 44:185–188, 2006

    Here is the abstract:

    Abstract: Ichthyoallyeinotoxism is a rare kind of food poisoning contracted following the ingestion of fish. The responsible toxins are unknown, and the clinical feature is characterized by the development of CNS disturbances, especially hallucinations and nightmares. As the implicated fish species may be also related to ciguatera poisoning, there may be possible confusion between the two fish-borne intoxications. In order to clarify this, the literature pertaining to "dreamfish was reviewed and two cases are presented. A 40-year-old man experienced mild digestive troubles and terrifying visual and auditory hallucinations after eating a specimen of Sarpa salpa in a restaurant. As he had severe behaviour troubles, he was managed in the hospital and recovered 36 h after the meal. He was unable to recall the hallucinatory period. Another man, 90-years-old and previously healthy, had auditory hallucinations 2 h after eating a specimen of Sarpa salpa . The two following nights, he had numerous nightmares and recovered spontaneously after a period of 3 days.
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    thats the one

    we get all sorts of tropical fish here. great white sharks, ocean sunfish, stingrays. as well as fish we get leatherback turtles. its not inpossible we get one of the dozens of well documented species mentioned. the japanese fishermen are only after the whales

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