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    LSD vs. Shrooms?

    Hi everyone, I am just curious what the general differences are between using LSD and using Magic Mushrooms, I know that LSD is supposedly more intense and also from what I have heard, not as safe? I've experimented with Cannibis some and not much else. However, I am curious about other psychedelics as well, and feel I am mature enough to use them in a mature way to just expand my general perception of the world, and as a means for creativity curiousity and discovery to flourish.
    However, I must come home to parents at night, and I am also concerned about the dangers [physiologically mostly] as well as the differences that these two substances bring.

    Can anyone give me some advice or imput?
    Thank you

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    High Nina_is_alive , welcome to the forum .

    What do you mean with the question ? What people prefer ? What people think is the safest ? Or what ? Maybe you can also be a bit more specific about what you mean by the rest to please ?
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    I suppose what I want is just a general opinion [best if backed by experience]

    on how the two contrast
    and which you would recommend for someone new to the whole world of psychedelics when it comes to intensity and saftey
    for the most part
    although
    you can feel free to share whichever you prefer and why
    that would be wonderful as well.


    I hope that better clarifys?
    and thankyou for the welcome, by the way.

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    Ambiguous question. They are both evenly since they they both have their unique character for different rewards.

    LSD is more euphoric and predictable to me, shrooms are more adventurous with wondrous episodes.

    Combining them together is what a psychonaut is looking for if sufficient courage for capitulation is found.

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    They are both members of the 'tryptamine' family of psychedelics. This just means they are structurally similar in certain respects....which means that they have certain things in common, but if you have the choice, and you're asking for advice on what you should try first, I'd recommend mushrooms. LSD is, dose-wise, the most potent psychedelic known to man (or woman), and can be a bit intimidating. Not to say mushrooms can't, because they too can be a wild ride, I just think they are gentler to a new explorer.

    LSD can be very abrasive in a way that can lead to a lot of introspective, analytical thoughts, and sometimes they aren't always pleasant. All that from a little piece of paper, too.....mushrooms, usually, are made into a tea, by boiling with water, and you have to imbibe a good bit more to get the effects, because they aren't as potent, by weight, as LSD. Don't take that to mean they aren't a VERY strong hallucinogen when a high enough dose is taken, they are. They can be intense, but to me they aren't as psychologically abrasive as LSD, they give you more visuals generally, as well. LSD CAN give you visuals, but there is a very heavy emotional content with LSD usually, it's not unusual to find you're psychoanalyzing yourself, with an accuracy that may be uncomfortable.

    You didn't ask, but if you are a new seeker, I'd recommend you consider the phenethylamine family as well......(MDMA and mescaline are phenethylamines).

    They are much friendlier, but they take you to a different space, which is not necessarily better, just different, and, usually, more pleasant.

    But the tryptamines are great teachers and you can learn a lot from them.

    Learning isn't always pleasant.

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    + 1 . Well said .

    For me psilocybe mushrooms are LSDs little brother and i`d recomend you to try psilocybe mushrooms first but find out about set and setting before you do them .

    Here is the right place to ask if you have any questions at all . There are people here with VERY much experience with everything you can imagine . If you are sincere they will tell you everything you need to know and explain it in detail .
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    Quote Originally Posted by spice
    Learning isn't always pleasant.
    One of the biggest things I learned was that if you want to learn and are willing to face it all, it becomes much more pleasant, while if you fight and resist the learning process it just makes it harder.

    I'd say mushrooms, preferably with a friend present at a moderate dose (up to 3 grams). LSD can be very weird if you don't know it. I remember my first few trips and they really taught me a lot, while at the same time it was just totally different than anything else. The weirdness can be a big distractor, because it can both be horrifying and extremely funny.
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    Strange enough LSD is literally the only substance which has always been heaven to me. It guarantees me serenity and witnessing the beauty in everything and everyone.

    I have experienced strong discomfort on weed in the past (heartbeats with the thought of losing breath), intense episodes of fear on shrooms (with occasionally phases of almost not being in able to take it anymore). Even on bigger amounts of San Pedro I had dark moments. (Just very worrying moments, but nothing drastic) and MDMA made me sometimes anxious because of the physical effects I was being aware of.

    But I have seen people, both in real-life and online, who are certainly not always content with acid. I had a good acquaintance who was baffled through LSD. He commited suicide later. Although I will probably never know for sure whether it would have happened or not without acid... but his leaving message was a metaphor which was in line with the belief he gained out of his ride.

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    i think everyone has summed up the effects of both. Safetywise, lsd and psilocin are some of the least toxic drugs out there (in comparison to active dose). it is impossible to physically overdose on acid unless you start stuffing hundreds of doses of the stuff into your mouth

    and agreed, mushrooms are probably easier for an initiate. the duration is so much shorter if you end up overwhelmed. my first acid trip was quite difficult especially in the second half when i was exhausted (but it was so worthwhile, still my most profound trip ever), my first mushroom trip was just beautiful (and very worthwhile).

    i agree wtih brugmania, about acid.. In a good setting and appropriate dose I can't imagine it getting out of control. I find it so refreshing, wierd how some do have such a hard time with it. I like how it opens me up to my inner visuals and imagination with such clarity, i really like the length of the journey--there are certain subtleties that happen during the later hours of the 12 hour trip that i really miss when i take mushrooms. But i'm not dissing mushrooms by any means, they have their own flavor, and one of the most insightful journeys I've had was on mushrooms. I find i need to physically and psychologically prep myself more for mushrooms than for acid. Anyway, both are rewarding if used correctly.

    either way, i think preparing yourself mentally, learning everything you can, having a good set/setting and someone experienced about with you is the most important thing for your first time, whichever you choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brugmansia
    But I have seen people, both in real-life and online, who are certainly not always content with acid. I had a good acquaintance who was baffled through LSD. He commited suicide later. Although I will probably never know for sure whether it would have happened or not without acid... but his leaving message was a metaphor which was in line with the belief he gained out of his ride.
    I think many of these people cannot accept or try to resist the ego loss during the trip. Nor can they accept the changes in their reality/perception afterwards. I mean a good dose can really RAPE your ego, and bring you down to earth.

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    Re: LSD vs. Shrooms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nina_is_alive
    I know that LSD is supposedly more intense and also from what I have heard, not as safe?
    It is not safe if you are careless about its use or if you have any serious psychological problem or depression. Avoid dosing with either shrooms or lsd when you are in a bad mood or feeling very anxious or something.

    You sound quite sane so i don't think you will have any problem, just dose moderately for the first time. Don't use it very frequently. Trip with people who won't fuck with you. Don't resist the trip once you start tripping.

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    I have only done shrooms, and had varying trips, mostly quite hardcore and "bad"...
    From listening on here, however, acid actually seems to be more euphoric, and easy gliding...

    Shrooms to me is more like up-DOWN-UP-DOWN-up-down-up-DOWN-UP-down
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    Quote Originally Posted by IJesusChrist
    Shrooms to me is more like up-DOWN-UP-DOWN-up-down-up-DOWN-UP-down
    Acid can be the same at times.....

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    imo, shrooms are more special & magical then lsd,
    although i voted lsd, coz it has (to me) less mindfuck, more visual effect, and will most of the time be a funny wacky experience.
    Shrooms are a more serious trip, it teached me more, what in fact is great too.. But on the moment of tripping itself, i prefer the LSD-feelingsz
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    Nina_is_alive , I hope you can distinguish between the posts where people are giving you good advice and the ones where people are talking about their personal problems .
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    Quote Originally Posted by GOD
    Nina_is_alive , I hope you can distinguish between the posts where people are giving you good advice and the ones where people are talking about their personal problems .
    and the ones who are doing none of both





    Terrence McKenna said in one of his talks, that mushrooms are stronger then LSD, i'm not sure about that actually...
    It has much to do with the dosage. You can have a very string acid trip when you take 400 µg of acid, but when you take 75 grams of fresh cubensis mushrooms, i think you will have also a very strong (maybe stronger) trip...

    It's the dose that plays a big role, so i guess it is impossible to compare just two substances who have quite the same , but still very unique, effects

    Most people take 35 grams of fresh cubensis as a reference of one dose, coz the smartshops sell it in that dose...And one acid-dose can vary very more, from 100 µg to 400 µgon one blotter... So what's one dose of acid?
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    Most of the acid thats around comes in doses of 100 miicrograms , if you are lucky , and less . A nice dose of acid is 100 - 125 micrograms and a good strong dose is 250 micrograms .

    Dont eat fresh mushrooms make a tea out of dried ones as its easyer on the stomach , you come up quicker and the experience is smoother .
    If in doubt double the dose

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    Quote Originally Posted by GOD
    Most of the acid thats around comes in doses of 100 miicrograms , if you are lucky , and less . A nice dose of acid is 100 - 125 micrograms and a good strong dose is 250 micrograms .

    Dont eat fresh mushrooms make a tea out of dried ones as its easyer on the stomach , you come up quicker and the experience is smoother .
    God I hope you realize that bad trips can happen to other people too. You have to take into account the possibility. I'm just telling this guy I took mushrooms my first time alone and it was the scariest shit of my life. I don't think thats just a personal problem that is bad advice...

    It is my uneducated, and possibly bad advice that from reports and talk around the forum, acid seems to be a much more stable trip.
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    Mushrooms are bending me much stronger than acid. I just can't back up a previous thought sometimes. Mushrooms disconnect me more from the external world. LSD keeps me straight but intensifies my sensory, everything that comes in is no longer filtered. This is where overreaction in some may come from. Mathematical precision, the measured fractalisation of LSD through chemistry may be not respond to what the users belief is about nature. Nature is odd, so is the forest, so are the mountains. It's not symmetrical.

    But it seems that the universe holds this mathemetical perfection of ultra symmetrical energy. So what is nature to someone? Perhaps that makes up which of the two you tend to prefer.

    Oral LSD Dosages

    Threshold 20 ug
    Light 25 - 75 ug
    Common 50 - 150 ug
    Strong 150 - 400 ug
    Heavy 400 + ug

    Entheogenic Mushrooms

    Oral P. cubensis Dosages
    Threshold .25 g 1/100 oz
    Light .25 - 1 g 1/100 - 1/28oz
    Common 1 - 2.5 g 1/28 - 1/10oz
    Strong 2.5 - 5 g 1/10 - 1/6oz
    Heavy 5 + g 1/4oz +

    I find this quite accurate. (Erowid) First time ever I estimate I only took 50-100 ug. The first acid trip changed my vision of life like nothing else and it was so intense that I had to recover for weeks, the solid inner peace was bliss. After that, I increased dosage each time (up to 500 ug in liquid form, 4 drops with a dissolution of 125 ug) but it never got me back to that immense change I had the first time.

    It seems that acid has a sort of tolerance/trust, 125 is just mild to me now. I even can get irritated on a too low dose because it gets boring on the second half. Possible because of it's predictable path which it gets after you've done it regulary with delight. Pushing it above 300 makes it heaven to me. And frequence of ingestion needs to be twice a year.

    My first cubensis trip was 25 grams fresh. The effects are still equally as back in days if I take that dose today, and it seems that in the long-term mushrooms leave more fields undisclosed and it never runs out of fields you haven't discovered yet. If you'd take them too frequently or with an inproper purpose they are still forgivable and will show you the magic immediately again if you sort it out before the next trip. LSD definitely doesn't tolerate this and answers with pulling grey lenses over your eyes. And will make you incertain about it's behaviour for the next time. Shrooms are more lighthearted, even if you break the rules. LSD shows more authority if going outside the guidelines. Shrooms ties me more into the sensations of the now, while LSD has a lot of past and future present in it's realm.

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    I have never taken LSD in really high doses. The most I had was 200mcg probably on a good blotter and a black microdot once (don't know how much that had, but it was pretty good!).
    These trips always seemed a little nicer to me than mushrooms, which tend to go to the dark side with me, even in the lower doses I took when I was younger.

    Don't be fooled into thinking that mushrooms are just a nice ride because they're natural, and LSD is the real deal because it's synthetical.
    Mushrooms for me are a very intimidating and strong psychedelic. If you take enough they bring on a full blown trip that is far from easy to deal with if you're unexperienced.
    LSD is different and longer acting, no doubt, but as I said, mushrooms have always been more intimidating to me, in every dose harder to deal with than lsd (except for the high doses of lsd that I can't talk about, but I believe they can also really hard to deal with)

    What I like better? Well, shrooms, because I can grow them easily and I don't have to depend on illegal sources to get a product that can or cannot be any good. And because a strong shroom trip is a really good and long-acting anti-depressant for me.
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    agreed, both substances are incredibly powerful and to be respected, my experiences with mushrooms have been much like yours as well.

    at the same time i think it is too easy to focus on the difficult, what can go wrong side of trips, really painting a skewed picture of the psychedelic experience.

    by far, the vast majority of psychedelic experiences I have had have been fantastic, life-affirming, insightful and joyful. even the difficult trips aren't difficult the whole way through. and after those difficult experiences, sometimes even during the same trip, I realized that something amazing had just happened, I had just got some kind of personal insight, released some kind of pent-up tension, solved a problem, and felt great for the rest of the trip

    hence i think set/setting/intent and preparation, and mindset are far more important than which psychedelic you choose
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    They are both great in their own ways. Sure, they are very similar. But when it gets right down to it, the details of theses substances make both of these substances incomparable
    The best thing to do is try both, and hope you have some actual LSD and not some research chemicals or designer tryptamines.

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    ?n todays market, ?d recommend shrooms. half of the lsd that ?ve bought ?s probably not lsd. ?m rem?nded of not be?ng able to sleep after tak?ng lsd for almost an ent?re day, wh?ch, ? can tell you ?s not very pleasent cons?der?ng that what ? want to do most after a psychedel?c tr?p ?s sleep.
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    Only the purest LSD by a thin margin.

    If it's just any old thing on a blotter I'd go with shrooms. Unless it's a DOx, then most likely even higher! 'Cause I've never taken it, but it has the phen word and the amp word so I like.
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    Re: LSD vs. Shrooms?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nina_is_alive
    However, I must come home to parents at night, and I am also concerned about the dangers [physiologically mostly] as well as the differences that these two substances bring.
    Well, the effects of mushrooms are over within about five hours, so if you must face your parents relatively soon after dosing, mushrooms might be preferrable. But as far as effects during the peak are concerned, LSD doesn't interfere with my ability to think clearly, whereas with mushrooms I might get all kinds of grandiose and 'alien' thoughts that don't make much sense.

    I did my math exam on 30 mcg of acid and got a good grade. I wouldn't try that with even half a gram of mushrooms. I also went to a family dinner on a full blotter, as well as a religious service, and no one ever noticed anything. Last year I dropped acid just before boarding a plane, and though it was a little uneasy at times, I didn't lose control over what I said or did. On acid I can be active and focused sexually, whereas with mushrooms I just want to lie down and observe the universe inside of my head.

    If you want a fullblown visionary experience, go for mushrooms or ayahuasca (DMT). If you want a philosophical or 'religious' experience, try LSD first. Get yourself two blotters. Take one fourth of that blotter first. Most likely this will already give you very interesting treshhold effects. A week later, when circumstances are favorable, take a whole blotter. That's how my first LSD provider instructed me, and I really liked it. In fact the entire week between that first 4th and the whole blotter became, in a way, one experience, filled with all kinds of synchronicities.

    If I look back on my life, I must say my experiences on mescaline and LSD were most psychedelic (insightful) and life-altering, whereas the mushroom and ayahuasca experiences were most 'spectacular'.
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    Thank you everyone, you've all been very very helpful

    well, after thinking about it: I have no way of knowing that I'll get pure LSD so I think I'll go with mushrooms first. The idea of it being natural [despite what Spice said] is a comforting one regardless. Also, I like the idea of the experience being one to learn from, because I think I am at a point where I need to figure stuff about myself and around myself because I am at many crossroads and we are here to grow anyways . I am not too concerened with visiuals, because it doesn't take much to blow my mind, I don't think.

    I actually spoke to my father about this because we are very close
    and he just wants to be my guide with psycadelics and the expanding of my universe. So I'm probably going down with him in the summer to the amazon.
    He is considering growing his own mushrooms anyways, and I can try that with him with great set and setting in a spiritual location. So that should be fine
    it's also very [if not more] possible that I'll be trying Ayahuasca down with some Shaman that my father is friends with from a long time ago.
    That sounds pretty incredible too. I just wish it were summer in south america when I tried all this instead of the winter that it will be, but oh well.

    So I'll just go to peru
    and from there we'll see when I return to the northern hemisphere
    if maybe I'll have some more phycadelia in the summertime before school starts up again.

    haha, sorry to write so much:

    I didn't expect so many people to be willing to help and give advice
    So much love to this forum for helping a searcher out

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