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    amanita dose?

    hey guys, i just bought an oz of A+ grade amanita mushrooms, and was wondering if 10G was a good starting dose? iv experimented with panther caps a couple years ago, but dont remember what kind of doses i was working with. (i think 1 oz lasted me 4-5 trips)
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    10-15 grams is good. But potency varies for all Amanita Mushrooms.

    http://www.erowid.org/plants/amanitas/a ... dose.shtml
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    Semilanceata dose

    I have just picked around 50 psilocybe semilanceata's. I don't have a scale but I know many people just count the mushrooms they've picked themselves.

    So how many?
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    50. more if you can get them

    if they are strong 10-20 will be a threshold dose. if they are weak 40 will be threshold. populations of semilanceata can be variable

    50 is a good number

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    Thanks for the answer.

    I'm at my parent's house right now and I have found 3 different locations on our property with liberty caps. It's raining right now so hopefully I can get some more tomorrow or next week.

    Also, we seem to have a patch of grass with lots of rare agrocybe's. Or at least I think it's agrocybe, they look like liberty caps but without the nipple and they have a brown spore print, and the cap doesn't curl inwards that much.
    as we separate and compare

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    agrocybe species are extremely difficult to identify.

    http://www.mushroomexpert.com/agrocybe.html

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    I see...

    I used this key: http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/gallery/chooser.asp

    I think the problem in identification is more to which agrocybe specie you're dealing with, while the genus is easier to identify.

    Well I don't really care for them as they aren't psychoactive :wink:
    I just was really curious what mushroom it was because we have thousands of them growing here. I have some pictures but not on my computer.
    as we separate and compare

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    Dose?

    What dose do you take? Do you prefer fresh or dried? How much did you take your first time?

    I have yet to become beshroomed, what does everyone recommend as far as dose of cubensis for a first timer?

    edit: I assume it matters: I weigh around 135 lbs
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    I like to take about 5 dried grams. As for a beginner I would suggest 2 grams. My first time I took around 2 grams. Anything else you would like to know, let us know!

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    my first time I took approximately 6 grams of few-months-old dried shrooms. My friend didn't know anything about the substance and made brownies out of them, thereby probably destroying most of the psilocybin. It was a light trip, though mushrooms never tasted that good again.

    Have you ever taken psychedelics before? Light effects are noticable on 1 gram dried, medium on about 2-4 grams dried, heavy on 5 grams +++, but this is also dependent on personal factors, the strength of the shrooms, the surroundings you find yourself in, etc.

    Prepare well, don't be scared and you'll be fine whatever the dose.
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    Dosage depends on strain of mushrooms.
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    And on everything else.
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    Well I have plenty of experience with cannabis as a mild psychedelic, and one notable salvia experience. I would classify myself as sensitive, but I dont have a lot of experience to back that up.

    I was thinking of maybe taking a small dose alone in my apartment, and then a medium dose in the wilderness somewhere with a sitter or a fellow tripper nearby when I have the time to get away.

    Oh and the strain is B+
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    If I could start ignorant with what I know now, I'd lock myself and do every psychedelic instantly at it's max. It's a matter of trust in fate, rather than gained experience. Because once you goes off, gained control is worth nothing. Trust in that condition is.

    Btw, do 2 or 3 grams dried. For copelandia's, not more than 1 gram dried. Although I personally find these more comfortable than cubensis. But everyone's different.

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    Recommended first time Amanita Muscaria dose?

    Have 1oz of Amanita Muscaria and want some various opinions on what to do for my first trip with it.

    I havnt tripped on anything 'serious' in about 12 years and I dont remember the differences between real shrooms and lsd and dmt and the like since I was pretty much eating, snorting or toking everything in my path at the time.

    First recommendation Ive had has been to eat a half a cap and then if nothing funky after an hour eat another quarter then a agian a quarter later if still no.

    Id prefer to do it by grams if possible. I have a scale that does up to 100grams in .01gram increments. (though at that granularity the ambient room wind makes it fluctuate +/- .03 sometimes lol.)

    Btw the 1oz is the picture I posted in this forum so you can see how ive got a mixture of caps and stems and what not. Not sure if there is a real difference between them or if its just one of those urban legends that druggies (and I mean that in the nicest possibly way hehe, im a druggy!) pass around cuz it seems cool to think that caps are more potent.

    Suggestions from all sides are greatly apreciated. If weight of the person makes a difference please mention that too. Not comfortable sharing my weight but sadly enough I'm BIG so if its by weight I could need more, if its all brain chemistry then the other situation is my psyche meds all seem to make me sensative to everything so I should probably procede on the side of caution of all suggestions.

    Thanks! Really lookin forward to my first real 'trip' since my idiot days in college. Be like a nice controlled burst correction to my flight pattern hehe.
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    Re: Recommended first time Amanita Muscaria dose?

    sorry this is probably way late, but i think you are right on the money, in testing them.
    which subspecies are they(ie muscaria, alba, flavivolvata(?)...)
    i saw some in a store in sandiego, and asked my bro on another site, after telling him my weight(175) and ethnobotanical / psychedelic history( a LOT). he said to start with about 2-3g, and work up. ive heard 7g from a 185lb dude, but that seems like a lot. i suggest google the shit(amt of muscimol/ibotenic acid per gram of soma...then threshold dose per kilogram of body weight, a little math, and youll end up with a figure. if thats my bro, he would take that figure and add to it,no matter the substance. some are conservative. some are standard. you decide.
    fuck, im rambling like hell...hope thats allowed on this site...lol

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    Re: Recommended first time Amanita Muscaria dose?

    Sounds like you've got it just start slow with them first. Powdering several caps together equalizes potentcy variabilities

    3 grams would be a good first dose. Don't expect anything insane. Prepare for possible nausea/purging, and body-temp changes.

    One may fall into a light nap; This is quite pleasant, don't fight it.

    Amanita is said to have reverse tolerance... so you will need less flesh for the same effect as you walk the path with Amanita.

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    P.S. Drinking ones' pee is recommended to the seeker of a cleaner and heavier psychedelic experience.

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    Re: Recommended first time Amanita Muscaria dose?

    Quote Originally Posted by flickedbic

    P.S. Drinking ones' pee is recommended to the seeker of a cleaner and heavier psychedelic experience.
    thats just sick. :shock:

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    Re: Recommended first time Amanita Muscaria dose?

    could u plz PM me on your doses and reactions.
    were did u get them pick your own or shop
    i herd the chemical is in the red skin mostly, and mushrooms should be dried or souped to avoid most stomach discomfort.
    as this mushroom Disrupts the P.H of the stomach lining whilst being absorbed, this is the discomfort.
    and heard 1gram dried is a V.Good test dose of mixed ground material.

    apparently despite our conditioning that these mushrooms can eaasily be mistaken for deadly types, there is only one mushroom that looks like a fully blooming Red Amanita Muscaria a Red Amanita Muscaria.

    ive had experiences that felt like i was in a trance, like i could have had stars spinning around mi head and i could sense vibrations around my body
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    Re: Recommended first time Amanita Muscaria dose?

    did you remember to cook / boil them sidefx?

    they have a toxin that is destroyed by heat, then you eat them.
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    Re: Recommended first time Amanita Muscaria dose?

    imactually going to try drinking my pee after my next voyage with amanita, i have only eaten it twice so far, only testing doses but still i felt effects from these doses, it can be a very potent molecule.
    how many cups of sugar does it take to get to the Moon

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    Regular Low Doses of Mushrooms

    Hi everybody ! First of all i want to apologize for my poor english, i'm not a native speaker !

    I recently grew some colombian psilocybe cubensis, and tried 2 times (once in the nature and once in a outdoor festival) at low dose (10g) and really liked it so far.

    I'm a huge music lover and regularly go to events with music i like, the only bad point of those partys is: it finishes very late, and its nearly impossible to stay awake until the end without taking drugs. But i'm totally not into party chemical drugs that makes you stay awake like speed or mdma, i'm way more into psychedelic stuff.

    So far what i did to stay awake was drinking alcool, i know that it is actually a horrible drug, and i dont like the effects it gives. It is just the only drug i'm sure i can now manage (after a lot of trouble i've been through with it) and that makes me quite awake, but i actually don't like it, and would like to change that habit.

    When i took the mushrooms in the festival i felt an great positive energy, an opening of perceptions, and a state of mind that really suited me. It kept me awake in a way better way than alcool usually does.

    Now I'm wondering, would it be really bad (i mean for my health, my brain and mentaly) to take mushrooms at low dose (so around 10g) every week or every two weeks ? I know doing it at high dose can really fuck up your brain quickly. But here it was really a little trip, i was still totally connected to reallity, it just gave me the good energy i needed. So i wonder if doing that would be worse than drinking my usual 30-40 cl of rhum.

    I'm open to all advices, thank you !

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    Re: Regular Low Doses of Mushrooms

    Firstly, I have to ask. 10 grams is a lot, if it's dry. Are these wet that you're talking about? Because if these are dry, they're very weak to have 10g be low.

    But to your question, at once a week, low dose, that's fine. It's becoming common to use as an anti-inflammatory and a pain killer, but I don't know how often ppl take it for such purposes.

    High doses are all relative. I know someone who became all born again after weeks of doing some very strong shrooms, but they had to have needed something in their life. And there was one very odd occurrence that finalized the decision. It really all depends on the stability of the person. Taking a lot is not a guarantee of having effects on the brain or psyche. If one is prepared for the travels and adventures, it does not kill brain cells, it does not alter you in a tragic way. IMHO.
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    Re: Regular Low Doses of Mushrooms

    Of course i'm taking about 10g fresh, colombian mushrooms are quite strong, 10g dry would send me damn far in outer space and i could definitly not call it a low dose ^^

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    Re: Regular Low Doses of Mushrooms

    i don't believe that mushrooms are bad for health at the doses we see people doing. there has been no LD 50 established for human beings, however, all of the LD 50's for animals are A LOT higher, exponentially higher than even what would be considered a high dose for people. so i personally would not worry about brain health.

    mind, mental health though, is another story entirely. if one takes a larger dose than they anticipated, then this could potentially be a hazardous experience for the mind, it could also be absolutely enlightening. the factors that would cause this are many, but what it really comes down to is the ability to go with the flow of the experience, and not try to resist.

    curious, why do you wish to take mushrooms on a regular basis? the tolerance builds VERY quickly, and they don't really offer much at a low dose anyways...
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    Re: Regular Low Doses of Mushrooms

    Thank you for your answer

    Well, the reason why im interessted by low dose on a regular basis is just that it gave me a good energy and a connection with the music when i tried it in a festival, so i'm interessted to have that feeling again in next music events i'm going to go to. I am also interessted by the exploration of the mind (so higher doses and other kind of psychedelic), but i experience that in other kind of context (like all alone or just with one good friend, in the nature or at home), here i'm just wondering what the dangers are if i regularly take a little bit just to have a little trip and some good energy. And i understood the tolerance was like 5-7 days, so taking mushrooms every 1 or 2 week should be good, isnt it ?

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    Re: Regular Low Doses of Mushrooms

    You'll be just fine. There's no danger in that dose level that often. In fact, you won't feel much, but you'll have to experiment to see whether 10, 15 or 20 fresh will be what you want. Probably no visuals and all body effects.
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    Re: Regular Low Doses of Mushrooms

    10g fresh? Why, that is a low dose ;p

    Cool beans, though, you seem to be on to something of your own here. I know Terence McKenna spoke some (after being asked, I think, during several of his seminaries) on the topic of regularly eating low doses of psilocybin in order to make a significant change in your state of ordinary reality. Basically, the topic would be psychedelic dieting (which is common for Plant-Spirit Shamans to do with many plants in order to bond with their spirit and acquire a new Ally), wherein you stay on a strict, bland diet (say, rice, cooked veggies and fish, no spices fancy drinks or even chocolate!) together with a daily dose of whatever-plant (in this case, psilocybin-mushies) for a longer period of time, say, a few months. Terence himself was quite cautious of the idea of dieting on psiocybin, as it most likely will change You after just a shorter period of time. But then, he was into heroic doses and wild hallucinations ...

    I don't know if your interests would be touching on the subject of shamanic dieting, but I think that what you're doing will ultimately touch on the subject as you grow more complacent or brave (or less...). Fair warning, though: if a guy like Terence warns others on how "little you must know of how strange this reality will prove to be on a diet" (...as if it wasn't, already!), it might be worth a shot reading up on the subject a bit more (or less!) before undertaking serious, weekly measures.

    I'm sure it'd be fairly easy to google the subject if you have the interest. Otherwise, there's a great book on the subject (psychedelic dieting, not necessarily strictly psilocybin) called Plant Spirit Shamanism by Ross Heaven/Howard G. Charing.

    Personally, I find mushrooms to be too much of a visionary sacrament to take a little of now and then. For my regular hyper-speed journeying, during musical sessions, playing with friends or just ass-to-the-floor contemplation, I just smoke massive amounts of ganja. Works fine if you've got the mindset for it

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    Re: Regular Low Doses of Mushrooms

    It has come to my understanding that Psilocybin is harmless to the human system. Less toxic than aspirin, even, and I knew of individuals who took aspirin daily. As far as I'm concerned, if you can handle the trip, and it's your thing, you can't do bad with the mushroom.

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    Re: Regular Low Doses of Mushrooms

    I would say it's not physically dangerous too take low doses regularly, but for the mind it's another story, it would be like any other substance you think must to take for a purpose : seems to be the gold way to addiction... Why do you need to take a psychoactive regularly to get the same modifications of your mindset? Seems like an enslavement isn't it? Shrooms can open your mind about that on a stronger dose, it would show you your own ability to change your perception of the Now.. But it's just my point of view...
    Anyway, I wish you great connection and peacefull journey's with Cubes!

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