Thread: Vegetarians read this!!

So, my personal belief for vegetarianism is I don't buy meat (besides fish). If I am offered meat - I will eat it however.

BUT! Important, all people need B12, but B12 is extremely hard to come by in plant matter other than microorganisms and algae/sea-weed.

So! Either take a b complex pill, or buy some sea-weed once in a while, or eat alot of foods with micro organisms (??)

That is all.

Vegetarianism doesn't exclude eggs and dairy (both rich in B12), veganism however, does.

Originally Posted by Brugmansia

Vegetarianism doesn't exclude eggs and dairy (both rich in B12), veganism however, does.

oh hey nice!

Anyone ever hear of people who only eat things that don't cast a shadow? I.E. they will only eat things that grow or are found underground?

Originally Posted by IJesusChrist

Anyone ever hear of people who only eat things that don't cast a shadow? I.E. they will only eat things that grow or are found underground?

Why the hell would anyone do that?

cause they feel that everything that is touched by the sun is conscious... or something.

Damn

anything organic, touched by the universe is conscious. mythbusters hooked up a plant to a lie detector type machine and received electrical impulses from the plant when the person in the experiment had the intention and idea to burn/cut down/eat/destroy the plant. true story, im sure you could find it on youtube

something conscious must die in order for something else conscious to live.

I thought they proved it false? (mythbusters)

your getting caught up in semantics. those guys aren't scientists. the data is there for anyone to interpret. plants respond to directed harmful intent in the same way (electrically) that humans do

Originally Posted by Tiax

Damn

Yeah, there's a whole New World with an infinite diversity of beliefs beyond the borders of Switzerland.

You can get B12 from supplements and fortified foods as a vegan. The soy milk I drink has 50% of my day's need in 1 cup I'm not sure how the vegans in India would get it, so maybe the whole thing is bogus. When you get down to it, there's not a whole lot that a human really NEEDS, it's all in the mind. The physical requirements of the human body have been and are being overcome, but you have to be really high to tap in to that!

Meat is also necessary for our body!
I like this post and really appreciate you to write this article.

^BS.

^^There are very little vegans in India, I think only the Jain. Most people there drink a lot of milk and eat eggs and cheese. There are also a lot of meat eaters in India.

B12 deficiency is a nasty thing. In the US, most people diagnosed with this deficiency are meat eaters, because their intestines are clogged up and they can't reabsorb the B12 like a healthy human with cleaner intestines would.

Vegetables are rich in fibres, which help clean the intestines.

Connect the dots.

I'm more in favor of being vegan as a dietary choice, not a statement. I understand that you might feel like you're sending a message, but that's like driving a Prius and thinking that you have completely diminished pollution impact from driving.

Exactly.

I know some vegans that eat all kinds of tropical fruits (I do so myself as well, I haste to mention), which were imported from halfway across the globe. Impact on the environment is still big. Those mangoes don't swim here by themselves.

I am not a typical vegetarian but i like vegetables more than meat and chicken and i eat vegetables in my diet and thanks for updating me as it is a nice post.

I am a great lover of vegetables. Vegetables are best for health. Thanks for sharing this information. I suggest everyone to eat vegetable daily.

YEs i am agree with u because every food has its own nutritional values . i am also vegetarian and i eat meat because of some health issues . That's why i try to take some vitamin in pills forum . Now i ithink my body have alos deficient for Zinc . Because i am not eat meat since last 3 years .

6 out of 10 top foods highest in Zinc are vegetarian.

http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/zinc.php

This holds for all vitamins and minerals.

a note about indian food. virtually all "south indian" restaurants serve vegetarian only...

b12 is added to most drinks like that. not just soy milk, but rice milk, almond milk, hemp milk, etc, however, im not sure how bio-available that b12 is since it's not naturally occurring. Spirulina (a sea vegetable) has an enormous amount of naturally occurring b12, with 100% of ones RDA in 1.5 grams.

There is a common joke about B12 vitamin. Men should date vegan women because they need B12 vitamin and there is a good way for them to absorb this vitamin that comes from things coming from animal. You see the point ?

Also I'm a vegetarian.

I have been vegan from 2006-2008. Then Vegetarian from 2008 till December 2012.

Then I started to research about it myself for the first time and looked at the evidence. This time I wasn't following friends or actor's advice but I really looked at the research myself. And guess what I found out...

I now eat meat again on a daily basis (not the supermarket crap). I don't use plant oils anymore and I don't use margarine anymore. I put real HEALTHY butter on my bread and I bake my meat in animal fats, as it is supposed to be done.

I feel SO MUCH better since I eat meat again.

Here's some food for thought and better explained than I can:

http://www.rawfoodsos.com/
http://www.healthiertalk.com/your-brain-margarine-1626a
http://www.gnosticmedia.com/wheatismurder

if the organic meat was more accesible I'd probably buy it.

I still feel bad about raising animals for our own use..

i am currently digging the traditional chinese (as well as many tribal peoples) approach of a very small portion of meat with a meal. i still generally do not eat it, and i currently don't buy meat, but if i am offered it i will gladly accept the gift, in moderation of course.

one thing that i found interesting that i read the other day about ancient chinese tradition was, that one should stick to a particular kind of protein for each day. that is to say something to the effect of, "if it is a tofu day, eat tofu. if it is a fish day, eat fish. do not mix many different ones, or consume an excess of proteins"

Hello everyone. I am a vegetarian and i am a great lover of vegetables. This information is new for me. Thanks everyone for sharing wonderful information. keep sharing.

For simplicities sake:

Meat (chicken, beef, etc) - Contains high levels of the protein casein linked to heart disease, cancer, etc.
Fish - Although high in Omega-3, more and more issues with mercury levels.
Cheese/Milk - The calcium found here, ironically degenerates bones. Let alone RSBT growth hormones and antibiotics flowing through.
Genetically Modified foods - Should be self explanatory.
Processed/sugary foods - Also self explanatory.
Vegetables/Plant Foods - Obviously better for many reasons, but again, for simplicities sake, I'll compare it to you hydroponics aficionados. If you raise a plant on NPK only, it will grow, but it will never be as rich as a plant raised on a combination of NPK and super nutrients. Same thing for humans. What garlic, broccolli, and a bell pepper can provide is so much more complex than a refined and reprocessed piece of empty calories.

I'm aware of all of these things, and many more. Does that mean that I never eat meat or cheese... no. I just minimize them, and when I can, try to choose the organic if I must consume them. Does it make me a better person... no. A dietary choice is not a religion on it's own. Does it mean that people haven't consistently told me otherwise... fuck yeah. Big Pharma, Big Food etc, has trained people well. I hear the buzz words... "you need meat, eggs, dairy or you will crumble up. As a man you need meat for testosterone. As a woman you need milk for calcium... blah blah blah".

It's simple, eat what makes you feel pure, not good for ten minutes and an insulin crash, not full and then incredibly sleepy, not jumpy and wirey and then dragged down, what really feels pure for the long term, and that's the diet that's right for you.

To add to that, I do take chlorella tablets and piracetam courses to regulate various other things (nootropics is a whole other conversation I know, but it is a factor), and somehow I feel pure.

If we ever get a private video library, I can definitely upload a few documentaries that go into far more detail.

there are exponentially more omegas in foods like chia seed and salba seed. not to mention nuts.

there is exponentially more calcium in dark leafy greens like kale, collard and spinach.

GMO's, poison. pesticides, poison. processed foods, poison, preservatives, poison. sugar, poison. FLOURIDE, poison...

"private video library"

could you elaborate on this? it sounds like a good idea to me, and it would not be difficult at all to create a new subforum. what would you like it to be like? (maybe PM me to avoid offtopic)

Hey HeartCore, excellent links. First one especially, I liked the breakout statistically of a lot of the explanations on Forks over Knives. I stick with my earlier point, balance is important. Some meat and fish, lots of greens, no processed crap, and certain supplements.

I heard fish eaters referred to as pescatarians recently. Pretty much describes me. I was unaware that seaweed has so much B vitamins. I think people have been brainwashed into believing that they can only be found in meat. Good to know.

seaweed has so much B vitamins

all the things that media tells us to consume animals products for, be it calcium, b vitamins, whatever, are ALL much more abundant in plants than in animals.

my personal experience with (nutrient dense) vegetarianism and kickboxing is that i do crave something about meat that i cannot receive from plants, however, it is possible to live without meat. don't know how healthy that is though as i did not feel as well while being a vegetarian, but i have a very demanding training regimen so my body is different than most in this regard, very sensitive. perhaps i will try again in the future.