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    Tabernanthe Iboga

    I've heard some crazy stories about this plant, does anybody have any experiences with this herb?

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    Re: Tabernanthe Iboga

    not yet, i bought a package though - but im not quite ready.
    all those stories about how dangerous it is make me worried.
    most people don't even know about it and refuse to believe
    it's a strong hallucinogen. this plant seems so otherworldy
    powerfull and unique that i can't comprehend why no one
    seems to know anything about it.

    some sources say it's very dangerous, some other say it's
    only dangerous in high doses. in rńtsch's encyclopedia he
    says that the bwiti tribe uses it only once in a lifetime
    in a very (very) high dosage (200g?) to 'break open the
    head'. there's also a lot of information out there regarding
    it's amazing healing capacities, i read that it can kill
    heroine addictions completely in one treatment, if done
    right. some junkies had to die apparantly ... because
    of ibogaine.

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    Re: Tabernanthe Iboga

    Well, if you're going to expiriment with low doses, I'd love to hear the reports!

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    Re: Tabernanthe Iboga

    Have 20 g in my closet for a year, but didn't dare to take it yet. Wanna hear some experiences though.

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    Re: Tabernanthe Iboga

    Why don't you take a low dose to try it? If I had some I certainly would. I mean 2-4 grams can't hurt you...

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    Re: Tabernanthe Iboga

    Exactly the same situation here
    *very* high respect ...
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    it's not entirely true that the addicts died of iboga - but of taking herooine the day before the did the trip ... you can't do methadon or heroin days before taking ibogaine ... thaan it's also known that when taking iboga - first one has to see if he is allergic or soemthing to it - so you have to take small doses before the real trip to see the reaction of your body ... this is also for playing save ... the right dosage has to do with your own body weight ... this is not something for having fun - this plant is fro purpose and intention - for healing and sjaman travels - for respect and awe ... they also say that 1 iboga ritual equals 20 years of psychotherapy ... the plant it's effect is like a total reorganization of memory - psychologic traumas and a 'defragmentation' of your self awarness ... it also hooks up to the normal neurotransmitions ... it is know that when taing heroin your brain get's wired onto an other level - this is why it's addictive from the first time ... and your brain is since that first time hooked like that - and that's why there is a constant craving for it ... when taking iboga the plant unhooks this brain link and sets it to default ... no more cravings ... but you have to maintain that you don't want to do it - because will can easily lead back to addiction.

    chekc out the dutch documentary

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    this is not something for having fun - this plant is fro purpose and intention - for healing and sjaman travels - for respect and awe
    I don't use psychedelics for fun, but for insight in life. I sometimes consider that as fun, because of the beautiful things I see

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    Re: Tabernanthe Iboga

    indeed - in that way - it's the most fun thing in life!

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    but what's with the women who died ... they did not because they took heroine to make it clear. also almost every book i read says that it can be extremly dangerous indeed, they just don't ever talk about dosages. i guess 20g can't harm me. well, i bought it and im gonna do it ... but not alone and not in an unsafe enviroment.

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    i'm sorry but if you take 20 grams of acid - your head is fucked! ... so please - get the facts straight before you do STUPID things ... you GUESS 20 grams woudl'nt hurt you - well - to guess is not enough!

    luckily i know it is indeed not enough to get your head fucked - but like i said before - you need to do a test because of the allergic reaction one can have - and for that a few grams is more than enough to get yourself in a bad situation ... so get the facts straight! ... i really don't like it when people do stupid things or talk like this about plantteachers ... you shold be lucky you ever heard about it - so do it right, and don't just DO it!

    are you aware this is a plantteacher??

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    ha! 20grams is even too much!!

    i checked internet ...

    The dose: It is difficult to dose iboga, but for most people 6 grams should do it, and if you are treating any kind of opiate addiction I would recommend to have 1 or 2 grams of iboga extra, ready for use right after the treatment. This is helpful for physical after cravings and it also helps for depression. Especially methadone.

    Prepare: First of all you will need a "baby sitter (+s)" that will set of several days for you. Never, ever, try to take iboga alone. Take the iboga lying down on a bed in a dark room and have a bucket ready for throwing up (if needed, let┤s hope not) You will need help going to the bathroom since you lose your balance.

    Important!: Mixing iboga with any kind of opiate is very dangerous, often deadly, stay clean minimum 6 hours before starting the treatment. Or better: start after the first signs of withdraws.

    Ingesting; To prevent throwing up the iboga is split up in max 2 gram doses. Start with two grams and then wait 1,5 hours for the next two grams. The iboga will start to give effect after 3 hours. Then take the third 2 grams. Now you should wait 3 hour to feel all the effect from the 6 gram already ingested before taking more iboga.

    An interesting alternative that I believe much in:
    Since several people still have been throwing up after ingesting iboga. Also the last part of the dose, a terrible waist of material. Simply use the "back door" instead, in rectum position. You can use the same capsules as for ingestion, they will melt, just takes some more time. Still you might throw up BUT you will keep the iboga to help you get clean.

    After coming down from the trip you might need some extra, dose these in one gram doses.

    AND MOST IMPORTANT!! After taking iboga your tolerance for opiates are reset to *ZERO*. This meaning that the risk for taking an over dose is great!


    second text says that for every kg of body weight you should take 16 - 20 MG (miliiiigrams) of iboga ...

    so if you are about 70 kg that would be 10 - 13 grams of iboga ... i mean - where would you have ende up with your 20 grams?? ... Venus???

    dude - don't pay attention to the heavy enegry in my posts - but see that you can't fool with plants - and definately not with yourself...

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    Re: Tabernanthe Iboga

    One thing : Iboga is sooooo disgusting that you have to be "a real man" to take 20 grams.
    Second : in bwiti tradition, they take it little by little : you should do so, with a tea spoon, so that you know when you got enough.
    Third : it is very difficult to die of overdose with Iboga, but it is true that "After taking iboga your tolerance for opiates are reset to *ZERO*. This meaning that the risk for taking an over dose is great!". This is the most dangerous thing with Iboga ; the very few deaths occuring with Iboga were due to this.

    Ok, I stop here because my english is bad.

    Oh, one more thing : vomiting is part of the healing process, like for ayahuasca : very important.
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    Re: Tabernanthe Iboga

    look
    i wouldn't do iboga before getting the facts straight, that was the reason i did not ingest it yet in the firsthand, okay. in my encyclopedia it is clearly stated that the people living in africa use more than 200(!)g for their ritual, they only do it once though. but this is exactly what bugs me ... 20g, 6g, 200g ... you don't have to be a math teacher to see that all these sources seem unreliable. i wouldn't wanna go for the relaxant dose, if i ever do it i sure want that plant to "teach" me, like you say. and it is no question that i'd check for alergic reactions first. if i'd be a millionaire or if that stuff would be cheap i could increase the dosage and look what im getting but i am not rich and that plant is not cheap.

    three women died JUST by ingesting ibogaine, they died because and only because of ibogaine, stop talking about heroine-overdosing. everone who reads about iboga gets a good grasp of what it does, no one in his right mind would shoot up shit the next day, and those who did probably lacked any kind of common sense.

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    Re: Tabernanthe Iboga

    Another advice : don't lie down, just sit : people from Gabon say : "if you lie down, Iboga lies down too" (that means that Iboga doesn't "work" in your body).
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    Re: Tabernanthe Iboga

    soleil, does that mean you had've an iboga experience?
    can you deliver more informations? how much did you use, how did you ingest it, what did you feel and what did you see? oh and your english is just fine ... : ]

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    Re: Tabernanthe Iboga

    Iboga should be an available treatment for every rehab clinic....

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    Yes I did, in Valence (France), with a shaman from Gabon. At the ceremony, we were something like 15 people (15 people that ingested Iboga + the shaman and his helpers)... Two persons didn't see anything (or almost anything) and I was one of them. But the other people saw a lot of things, and when they explained their visions, I was kind of frustrated.
    The ceremony was divided on two nights (00h - 5 AM). They played a lot of beautiful music and we puked a lot (amazing, really : you feel something going up in your stomach and then... bwarf !!). The shaman's helpers would give us fresh bottle of water, give us paper to clean our mouthes and so on, really kind.
    From time to time, the shaman went to each of us and gave us a teaspoon of Iboga, like a father to his child (maybe it has an impact, psychologically speaking). Later, he gave iboga only to the people who asked for it (I couldn't, even I had no vision : too disgusting, too hard...) ; he used to say that we hadn't to hesitate asking him for more.
    So I didn't see much things but the introspection working was really potent.
    On the second night, they put a white powder on our faces and set a mirror in front of us, with a candle near it ; we had to look at ourselves in the mirror : at one moment, my head disappeared (in the mirror, i mean) but it lasted just a very short moment ; at another moment, I saw an eye in the middle of my head (sorry, I don't know the word in english for "front") and I interpreted this like a capacity for me to heal people (I want to become a psychologist) ; at another moment, I saw myself with a moustache, like a man of the beginning of the 20th century.

    I also have to say that I had the feeling that I could understand and know what the other people in the room thought and felt (again, this feeling of empathy, which I interpreted the same way than the eye in the middle of my head).

    Well, I can't explain it entirely, it would be too long (in english). I just have to say that since March, I am more confident, I almost gave up smoking (at the time : 10-15 cigarettes a day, beginning soon after waking up + 2 or 3 joints in the evening ; now : 2 or 3 joints in the evening, with regular stops).

    Ok, the list of the benefits would be too long ; this month of March 2005 will really stay in my mind as a big big benefit in my life.

    If you have any question, you can send me a message if you like.
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    Re: Tabernanthe Iboga

    hi themoles...

    indeed - the internet says that in some bwiti tribes they take 200 grmas of iboga ... but that is probably the leaves - 200 grams of leaves of the plant. i'm not very certain but i think i read it somewhere.

    i think you should ask someone like the above person wich name i forgot ... or send an email to one of the poeple listed in this link section ...

    http://www.ibogaine.org/links.html

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    It absolutely can't be the leaves : the only psychoactive part of the plant is the root (by the way, the fruit is eatable).
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    Re: Tabernanthe Iboga

    wow, this sounds awesome! thank you soleil!
    i don't know, though, i've got a problem with those group therapy things. this is like what the teachers did back in school, teaching us how to use formulas without the actual background, the context. all the knowledge in the world means shit without context. but from what you told it doesn't sound all that bad, i think i'd really like to do that too one day. but till then i just stick to read more books and try more hallucinogens all by myself.

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    Well, most of us hadn't taken any hallucinogen... The thing is that when you take plants like Iboga or Ayahuasca, the music and the ceremony lead and control your trip, and is part of the "healing" process.
    You also can fly to Gabon and make a ceremony there (but : you have to speak french ; you have to have a lot of money and have a visa, which is quite difficult).

    These people know these substances since thousand of years... so I think you learn more with them (but they don't try to convince you of anything or make you believe in anything ; you're still free).
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    hello I'm new at psychonaut...
    I wanted to tell that I'm going to test Iboga tomorrow. First I was afraid, too but then I found some interesting websites like
    www.iboga.com
    www.ibogaine.co.uk
    www.ibogainetreatment.com
    www.drogen-forum.com
    Now I think realy that iboga can help me find awnsers for some old questions in my life. I will tell you how my trip was... hope I become someone new with a more fullfilling life

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    Perhaps you can put a experience report in the community here , would be cool !

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    I took 2,5 grams of iboga at 5.15 am yesterday morning because I read something about 20 to 30 hours of tripping. So I wanted to make sure that I will be back again for monday working in my halftimejob. I took the iboga with 3 teespoons of honey because this shit smelled really really ugly! One hour after that I had some strange feelings around my body... felt very light and I had also some problems with standing and moving around. That's why I layed down in bed and waited for something to happen... but nothing I just falled asleep again. Two hours later I ate another 2,5 grams and it took me a lot of self-discipline not to throw up. But everything I got from this was a big headake that lasts for the whole day and another strange bodyfeeling ( not really positiv). that was my whole iboga experience, fuck!
    now I'm looking for this ibogain capsules they use in therapy. Does anybody knows where I can buy them? I'm going to start another test around iboga after christmas. Hope there will be more to report that time. Sorry!

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    I never took Iboga, but I think the problem with ingestion is that its not that much active if the uptake is through the stomac, like with Salvia I believe it the uptake was through saliva ? But correct me if I am wrong.

    Perpaps making an extract of it will help ?

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    i think 2.5g is not enough to induce any hallucinations. most sources call for 10g but everything seems suspicious to me, i found sources that call for WAY more, some point out that too much could be deadly, so i really dont know. i bought the rootbark powder, it's 10g and im gonna do it some day.

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    Hi every1,
    A couple of months ago I tried Iboga powder purchased from Azarius.
    First, I took 6g steeped in hot (yet not boiling) water, drinking the water and eating all the the residue afterwards.
    I had experienced no psychedelic effects whatsoever.
    A few weeks later I took the remaining 14g of powder in the same manner as before.
    No visual or other psychedelic effects similar to shrooms, LSD, MJ, etc.
    I did feel some strange mood change though. In a way it reminded me the effects of a low dose of Syrian Rue. I felt noticable calmness of thinking process, a kind of grim concentration on inner analysis, etc which is rather difficult to explain in written.
    The powder was not tasty but I could give you a hundred and one different substances that taste a LOT worse. All in all, I would say the taste is rather dull-neutral, the only inconvenience is that when hydrated it becomes just a bit difficult to gobble, due to its peculiar "roughness" on the throat I guess. Washing it down with cold water solved the problem completely.
    I will definitely try it again in a year or so when in special setting.
    The overall impression is of a sleeping mammoth - HIGHLY SPIRITUAL, definitely wise and extremely ancient, neither good nor evil, absolutely different from anything else I've ever tried, bearing some distant kinness to harmala in a way I just cannot explain but the feeling is definitely there.
    Maybe, you could get a better idea if you listen to Zaurian Meditations by Karl Sanders - it's the Iboga in music if you get what I mean.
    Regarding the dosage I would suggest that you treat it with an utmost respect, even though I had absolutely no visual or mind-bending effects I got a clear pronounced and non-discussible feeling of a tremendously powerful entheogene. It was just deep in sleep but I would think 20 times before I decide to wake it up.
    Also, when speaking of the doses pay attention to difference between Iboga root bark powder, powfered root and extracted ibogaine before starting shouting at people and calling them names.
    Since you read these lines, 16g do not necessarily kill a man if they are natural substance.
    16g of pure extracted ibogaine that is used quite often in psychotherapeutic sessions is obviously a different story.
    Anyway, even if it is plain root powder and not pure ibogaine, I would STRONGLY suggest careful building-up of the dose. If you do not plan to literally "break open" your head, that is.
    Peace all.

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    I 'broke open my head' 4 times with pure (98%) ibogaine hydrocloride in the purpose of heroin withdrawal ...
    I don't feel very inspired today, next time I'll tell you more about it (if you like), I was on very high dosage, one time it was almost too high - it took me a week to recover ...
    It's an unearthly drug, the worlds you see with it are unique and typical for ibogaine - for me every time was completely different, but some things are always the same, one could define it as a typical realm of iboga plant teacher ...
    The shit is, I repeat - it takes you a long time to recover - as Shulgin says (have you read Pihkal or Tihkal? he also tried ibogaine but not in the trance inducing dose - just a little - but he stil says - like for none of the very many triptamines he tried - 'I don't know if the experience is worth a heavy attack on your central nervous system! NO SLEEP. NO SLEEP AT ALL'
    Insomnia is a huge problem after the initiation with ibogaine - one feels very tired, and there's, as Shulgin says 'no sleep AT ALL' for several days - one feels just as if his/her center for sleep has been distorted, one is afraid he's never going to sleep again!!!
    But till it lasts, it's unreal - it comes in waves of electricity plus warmth - you feel number and MORE AWARE each time - like you're coming home - and then at some point, when you close your eyes, the visions start to come and go, like on a parade - you can even control them - until you fall into trance ... But many things you do remember after it ...
    The next day the 'electricity' is still not gone - you're half awake - in some weird state - and you still get pictures - but it feeld unreal, different - feels real but it's not real, and vice versa ... it's very difficult to decribe it ... One example - the 2nd time I took it, I got voices from some radio station somewhere in America, where people were calling the studio and talking (it was a kind of a late night show) about Salvia Divnorum ... Each piece of my pillow was a different voice ... I heard them in my head!
    The 3rd time I took it I was sure I spent some time in my friend's home, and it was strange because I was sure she lives elsewhere ... later on it turned out it was only a vision, I was never at her place, she doesn't even live there where I 'put her' ...
    The 4rth time I dragged the spaceship from Kubrick's Odyssey 2001 all around the bed, it was somehow in my head ...
    The 1st time I had visions of my junkie friend and his gray face and his wounds rotting and falling apart ...
    THESE VISIONS I MENTIONED CAME ONLY AFTER THE TRANCE
    Later on I realized that in the after-trance state you come under the influence of the things you did or did think about BEFORE the initiation.
    But during the trance I saw the most marvellous things I think I'll ever see in my life ... Maybe with ayahuasca ... I don't know, I still have/want to try it ...
    For example, the vision of the magic forest on my second ibogaine session was the most wonderful vision, combined with most ecstatic and paradise-like feeling I have ever experienced! It was an autumn forest of gigantic trees with mild unearthly light raying through the branches. I was there with the man I love (I don't know who that might be) and my two children. As we moved through the forest, every breath and every leaf of grass or branch I touched, was filling me with ecstasy. I was breathing in and out and almost cumming ... Not 'almost', every breath in and out was a psychic and bodily orgasm, I never felt anything similar - I was in heaven! I gave my children some fruit I picked from a tree, and as they sucked on the juicy fruit, I felt ecstasy with their each movement - like the fruit, and the leaves, and everything about this forest was HEALING, the healing powewr of nature!!! And it brought me to ecstasy, it made me feel like no ecstasy pill could ever make me ...
    Wow!
    I'm still looking for this forest, only when I find it I'll be satisfied ... that will mean I have found paradise, somewhere on Earth maybe ...???

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    Great post.

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