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    Re: Harvesting Datura Seed?

    Thanks yngvie and arimane. 69ron's experiments are what gave me the inspiration to try this out. Like he and you pointed out, the seeds are much more uniform and dependable in their concentrations than any other parts of the plant.

    I found Datura metel on my trip and started at one seed, doubling the dose each night until eight seeds, thereafter I took ten. The dreams were of the ultra-intense variety, often so that I would only realize later the next day that it was memories of dreams running through my mind, not physical experience! The subject matter was quite different from usual dreams and they were always extremely lucid, 100% believable at the time (and even once conscious as I said). Unfortunately this species seems to have had a slight limiting effect on dream recall however.

    I think I will order some D. inoxia seeds to grow them and use them seeds intermittently as dream enhancer and psychedelic potentiators.

    The seed flavour is quite nice actually, reminiscent of mild bell pepper seeds (shaped similarly too). What has been your experience arimane?
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    Re: Harvesting Datura Seed?

    huh, makes me want to try. There is an unlimited supply within a few blocks radius of me.
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    Re: Harvesting Datura Seed?

    I ate two full leaves I have left in the fridge for 2 months.

    As I was falling asleep (20 minutes after eating) i started to feel affects. I become warm and my thoughts became very lucid.

    I fell asleep, but when I awoke it was the worst tiredness I have felt in a long time. I slept like a rock, my body felt, but my mind was so exhausted. No dreams to be reported either...

    Probably won't try again via leaf.
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    Re: Harvesting Datura Seed?

    Research tells me that the other parts of the plant are not as consistent in alkaloid content as the seeds. The ratio of scolopamine to hyoscyamine will affect the experience, so I would advise sticking to this reliable source rather than gamble on the alkaloid soup that could be in other plant components.

    There are a number of informative topics on the nexus you can find through the search function, ijc. Good edjumacation
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    Brugmansia sanguinea

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    Re: Brugmansia sanguinea

    Sorry I'm not much of a gardener so I can't help you with that but I am curious. If you're in the middle of summer and english is your first language, that must put you in South Africa, NZ or Oz - yes?

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    Re: Brugmansia sanguinea

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    Re: Brugmansia sanguinea

    This is a weed - the cuttings should be easy to propogate, simply by how the plant looks.

    Besides that, seeds come in the late fall, wait till the plant dies - the shells that hold the seeds will dry out.

    I have about 9 seeds sitting in my room.
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    Re: Brugmansia sanguinea

    This post has been edited by me, Jamapricotica, for the simple reason that I am attempting to cleanup and/or improve my presence on this forum.

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    Re: Brugmansia sanguinea

    yeah theres a few different Brugmansia - Datura plants around my street, and i have always been sceptical on this plant.

    but i have started to test them, they were in my face on a walk and they smell so SWEET and Yummy. and look beautiful.

    so i started by snapping off a flower and licking the sap off of the tip after plucking.
    .experiment done on an empty stomache.
    and ive pushed alot of limits in my past on many molecules, but in the past couple years i have cut right back to mainly only social things. even dont smoke weed really, mainly weekends, with a couple drinks.

    >>>and ive noticed i am pretty sensitive to drugs now, and i feel i can really distinguish the difference in highs of chemicals now, as in the past i was always atleast stoned or coming down so things just melted into another trip.

    .....i do feel alot more here in reality -For good and bad, though being on the spot in the moment too often does my head in. im learning spanish.

    so been SLOWLY like licking the sap off flowers and chewing on sections of leaves, slowly increasing. the leaves eaten fresh taste like cabbage.

    And on an empty stomache chewing tiny doses i have had sensations of,
    An energy build up in my stomache which flows outward to rest of body, also an empty feeling in stomach like going down a hill very fast, i call it the calm before the storm feeling,
    I can see how these sensations if increased by dose could easily sweep some one away as these so far have all been TINY doses, im suprised i felt anything.

    Latest Dose chewed 10 square cm. till felt something, on an empty stomache, and noticed first slight visuals like very slight crystal clear grid pattern, it was Weird my conscious split, my Mind was wondering off in thought but i was still also very conscious of what my eyes were seeing.
    i did not eat any more, and symptoms did not increase.

    theres no way i will try a full dose on my own, i hope lol, just Slowly experiment further - i have at my disposal Red Angels and White Angels trumpet. the White Angels Trumpet are the most Floral smelling and Seem to be the most intoxicating of the TWO. dont think ill try the seeds
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    Re: Brugmansia sanguinea

    Hi, I have a Brugmansia Sanguinea that I started from seed early this spring, It is now about 8ft tall now and has just formed a natural 'Y', but it is too big to keep in my greenhouse as it is already growing into the roof!
    I really don't want to induce dormancy and would prefer to keep her going through the winter.

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    Re: Brugmansia sanguinea

    Just found this mexican dude who trained as a shaman, and he does these temazcal mexican sweat lodges, they get 13 hot rocks on a fire and bring them into a dome covered with tarps water proof, and place rocks in middle one at a time, "thirteen levels" and pour over a mixture of plant juices, one main ingredient being datura.

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    re datura smoking mix

    hi all just after some sound advice been messing around with a smoking mix it consits of wild dagga,daminia,opium lettuce,zorna lattfolia,kratom and 300 datura stramonium seeds crushed just made a small amount to try been using 2 grams of each what else could i use that would give it that extra ummmmph e.g datura leaves or something like that any advise would be greatly recieved
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    Re: re datura smoking mix

    Datura = delirogen = BAD

    Stay away from it, my 2cents.

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    Re: re datura smoking mix

    Damiana - cyanogenic glycoside (tetraphyllin B), arbutin (up to 0.7%), monoterpenoids, sesguiterpenoids, alpha-pinene, beta-pinene, calamene, alpha-copaene, thymol, 1,8-cineole.

    Opium lettuce - Bitter sesquiterpene lactones lactucin and lactucopicrin, jaquinelin, 8-desoxy-11,12-dihydrolactucin, triterpenes alpha-lactucerol and beta-lactucerol.

    Zornia latifolia - Largely unknown, speculated by some to contain tropane alkaloids.

    Kratom - mitragynine, mitraphylline, 7-hydroxymitragynine, raubasine, corynantheidine.

    Datura stramonium - Tropane alkaloids hyoscyamine and scopolamine.
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    Re: The dangers of Datura

    Quote Originally Posted by Brugmansia View Post
    That's not really true. It played a significant role in European mythology and neopaganism. In my country there are still groups (see video below) who use such ancient ointments which contain low amounts of solanceae's and Amanita Muscaria.

    http://spuitenenslikken.bnn.nl/forum.ph ... ssages/235

    Yes... I do this with Amanita Muscaria... I want to know how to use datura.
    Already read a lot on that matter, but what you say about the potency and the time of harvest is info hard to find... Can you give me idea about it. I wanted to send you private message, but I was not able to find how... so if you are able, please write to me or post information about how the moon cycle, the time of the year and the day, affect the potency...

    please... its very valuable information, I need to know.

    THank you !

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    Re: The dangers of Datura

    Quote Originally Posted by magickmumu View Post
    Items about datura and the problems it can cause when it's not taking with care.
    Datura Items: Psychedelic Abstracts Online
    Datura is said to be one of the most dangerous natural stuffs which contain toxins which can kill you. Datura is a danger to live-stocks, pets and toddlers as they have the tendency to eat whatever they find. Thanks for sharing such cases of drugs, I am just shocked after reading after effects of drinking hallucinogenic tea.
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    Re: re datura smoking mix

    I just read this thread, Check here http://www.psychonaut.com/other-psyc...rs-datura.html and can not think of having Dhatura seeds mixed in my smoke.
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    Re: Datura

    U should not suggest ways of trying this evil plant I suggest u go try it first then u will realise this plant should never be spoken about lightly to someone that is curious or seriously considering attempting to somehow find a safe or enjoyable dose of the angels trumpet I only wish I found this sight before I I boiled up my first cup of what I stupidly thought was going to be my next greatest psychedelic experience..
    THIS IS NOT A PSYCHEDELIC MY FRIEND U SHOULD NEVER ADD YOUR TWO CENTS UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT...

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    Re: Datura stramonium

    I cannot start threads yet, so I write this here as a reply instead.
    @mods: please convert my post to a topic if you feel its worthy of being one.

    Radium's "Dervish dust" Datura TEK

    Disclaimer:
    SWIM've been using Datura ritually for years, she was introduced to it and learnt the dark lady's secrets by a Persian Dervish she met and became an apprentice in her late teens.
    She feels very sorry when she hears another kid died due to Datura overdose.
    So she decided to tell me to share the correct method of ritualistic use of Datura with people for harm reduction.

    Neither she, nor me, don't recommend consuming Datura in any way, and we strongly advise everyone to stay away from Datura altogether.

    But despite all the warnings, if you decide to fool around the witchy lady, besides expecting possible death, please read this guide carefully, and never ever trip on Datura more than once per month.

    Datura is a witchy woman, she can and will destroy you if she doesn't like your spirit and thoughts, and that has nothing with pharmacological overdoses; She kills you by leading you to walk into traffic, or jump from a fatal height, or simply order you to cut yourself to shreds.
    But if she likes you, she will be a powerful and rewarding ally for you; and after that, your only worry will be the dosage which you should be careful about.
    Unfortunately there's no sure method to find out if she likes you or not.
    As a general rule of thumb, she hates people with bloated egos, and also those who are disrespectful of mother nature.

    ====================================
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    Anyway, enough mambo-jumbo, let's get into the dosage calculation. here's the Dervish method used for more than 1000 years successfully to travel into the unknown, and returning alive:

    Requirements:
    - Large amount* of Datura seeds, at least 1kg (doesn't matter if harvested from multiple plants even spaced miles from each other)
    - Coffee grinder, or a big mortar and pestle.
    - Accurate weight scale, digital or mechanical (do not eye-ball or use volumetric measuring)
    - A relatively sound and sane mind.
    - A lot of courage and recklessness .

    Preparation:
    - Grind all the seeds into a fine powder, and mix them well to get a homogenous powder.
    - Mix it with 1/2 of its weight very fine sugar* powder.
    - Store in a cool and dry place (preferably in a freezer)

    Administration:
    - Start to salivate and then ingest 0.1 gram.
    - If nothing happens, wait 48 hours* and repeat the dosing with 0.01-0.02 gram more powder.
    - It might take a month to pinpoint your suitable dosage of that particular batch, don't hurry, because that very likely will put you six feet under.
    - Once you find the right dose (only applicable to you alone and not anyone else*) you can consume it with peace of mind, albeit a secure and safe setting, plus a sane sitter is mandatory.
    And don't forget that the suitable dosage you just determined applies to your current batch, and once you run out of it, you must restart the calculation process.

    ====================================

    * The larger the batch, the longer time to running out of it, and thus greatly decreasing the dose calculation times you're required to do.
    Because once the batch with the determined suitable dosage is run out, you must pin-point the suitable dosage for the new batch from the beginning, since each batch will have a different alkaloid potency and profile.

    * Adding sugar powder is for bettering the taste and increasing saliva secretion, although Datura seeds don't taste bad, it's still recommended.
    It also decreases the potency per volume, and thus makes it more forgiving and decreases chances of mistakenly overdosing from rushing the dose taper-up process, or inaccurate weight measuring.

    * Datura alkaloids can be psychoactive from 24-48 hours depending on the individual's metabolism and biochemistry.
    Therefore it's advised to wait until the last dose's psycho-effects are completely vanished before administering a new dose which can combine with the previous dose to put you into danger zone.

    * Under no circumstances recommend your own suitable dose even from the same batch you're using with someone else.
    Datura's psychoactive/fatal doses are spaced very very close, and accidental overdoses due to a little slower metabolism can happen.
    Therefore, it's absolutely mandatory for every person to find out his very own personal dose, and shut his mouth and never recommend it to anyone else, even if they're using the same batch.
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    Re: Datura stramonium

    I have ingested datura and brugmansia many times. Really great plants if you work with them right. I mostly work with much smaller doses and usually added to other medicines like San Pedro, mushrooms or Ayahuasca. One of the best benefits for me working with this plant is the way it opens up my dreams - even sleeping with 3 leaves under my pillow or with my potted plant by the bed will often give me lucid dreams, and when I ingest part of the plant I sometimes have lucid dreams for weeks afterwards....
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