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    kratom + mj = wow

    So before I start I should say I'm not particularly familiar with the opiates overall. But out of curiosity I tried kratom this weekend. About 6-7grams (my scale sucks) in a tea. When I tried a bit of herb later, the effects were amplified like 3-4 times.. i kept coming up and coming up over 30-40 minutes..! laying back with my eyes closed, lush visuals, easily falling in and out of sort of hypnagogic (waking) dreams.. accompanied by a very deep relaxation. it was as if my tolerance to the herb had been instantly reset, accompanied by dreamlike opiate effects..

    All in all it was a very lovely experience.. one I couldn't do too often as the hangover the next day was a bit tiresome, albeit still lush and enjoyable.

    I've heard these two substances have a synergy between them.. I definitely agree..!
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    I think kratom is very synergetic to other drugs. I never tried it with mj so far, but I know that some 5g of Kratom resin are nice, but when you smoke a cigarette then it can become extreme. I've had to lie down more than once and put my feet up because I was becoming dizzy, then I was "tripping" really good on it for an hour or so. Only one cigarette made the difference from a nice feeling to a really, really opiate-like feeling. It also combines well with alcohol, I think.
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    I'm going to agree with what is said above, kratom has powerful synergistic effects.

    I managed to score a few kratom resin pies off the internet and tried a variety of doses.

    It's a relaxing drug, that is for sure. but in combination with marijuana it made me extremely euphoric ( and I am a heavy mJ smoker) . I can remember sitting on my very comfortable couch and doing nothing but just 'thinking', about nothing and everything really. Quite pleasant...

    I've also had some vodka after taking kratom, it provided an extremely powerful body high. I had to lay down for a while to recollect myself because I thought I was going to yak.

    A lot of people use it for opiate withdrawals apparently. *shrug*
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    I may have to get me some Kratom. Sounds extraordinary.

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    same here. i havent really thought about experimenting with kratom.. but have always enjoyed a good opiate trip. ill do a little more research on it before i decide to buy
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    The last few times I did Kratom I never managed to reach really nice effects anymore. Either the resin I got was a lot worse, or my body adjusted (even after months of not taking it).
    Some people never seemed to get much out of it - I did once in a while.

    But then again, as long as you have the money for it (it's really expensive...) it won't hurt because the addiction potential must be really low. If I don't get addicted, I'm pretty sure nobody will
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    In the past few days I added many "trip" reports (in Dutch, French, German and English) to the experience page of www.kratom.nl.

    We haven't received many new experience reports recently, so if you would like to add yours, let me know.

    I also updated the news page. Did you know that "an interesting minor alkaloid of Kratom, 7-hydroxymitragynine, has been reported to be more potent than morphine", and that "MGM-9, a novel painkiller derived from mitragynine, is stronger than morphine" as well?


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    I made a tea of 10 grams of thai kratom and it felt like the feeling before you fall a sleep but than it last for 4-5 hours.
    Totaly relaxed the entire day
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    Sure, feel free to add it to the page..

    Interestingly, I've felt no desire at all to repeat the experience, even though I really enjoyed it (and tried kratom twice since then a week and two weeks later). I'll probably try it again sometime when I have the opportunity..


    Quote Originally Posted by CaduceusMercurius
    In the past few days I added many "trip" reports (in Dutch, French, German and English) to the experience page of www.kratom.nl.

    We haven't received many new experience reports recently, so if you would like to add yours, let me know.

    I also updated the news page. Did you know that "an interesting minor alkaloid of Kratom, 7-hydroxymitragynine, has been reported to be more potent than morphine", and that "MGM-9, a novel painkiller derived from mitragynine, is stronger than morphine" as well?


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    I ll soon try kratom for first time

    I bought one kilo on www.kingofkratom.com.
    Is this possible to smoke it? should i use it with mj? or with Hasj?
    Thanks for advices and if i survive, i'll comment on this forum

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    Kratom

    I'm having some problems w/ getting noteworthy effects from kratom. I'm using the simple boil tea method and the resulting 'tea' (I boiled 12g of Private Reserve) and drank the whole glass over 30 min.

    Other than a mild euphoric effect, nothing really happened. My question is what did I do wrong? What are some other methods? Here's what I did and have though about doing:

    Weighed out 12g Kratom -> into aluminum pot w/ 3 cups water brought to boil (w/o kratom in it) and reduced to simmer, added kratom, stirred for 20 min, filtered, repeated 1 more time w/ 1 cup water added in. I did just realize I used regular non-filtered tap water so I probably destroyed the alkaloids w/ the treated water. Would that destroy the effects? I'd rather wait for a response than wear my arm out stirring for another 40 min. lol.

    Next I'm going to attempt an extraction on the crushed leaves, would 90% Ethenol be a good solvent? Will I need a non-polar/polar cycle like LSA extraction?
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    I used this recipie.. but with 5, not 50g of leaves. It definitely worked for me. (With tap water too..) Note you are sort of making concentrated tea here.. boiling it down... i never boiled it down all the way either. also 50g of leaves sounds like a pretty heavy dose. next time i might up the dose to 10-15g..

    http://www.sagewisdom.org/kratomtea.html
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    i've seen a lot of recommendations for the "toss & wash" method..

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    Much better to put the Kratom in your mouth dry, then wash it down with something that has more taste than water. You mix it with water, it'll make sludge that you'll have a hard time getting down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbt8080
    SWIM has just discovered grapefruit juice to be the perfect drink to toss and wash his kratom powder down.

    SWIM always had trouble with the "toss & wash" method of kratom ingestion... several times, he would gag on the stuff, and a gross mixture of powder and liquid would end up all over his floor (and one time, his wall). SWIM never liked making capsules, either, because it was time consuming. So, he would take his chances with toss & wash most of the time.

    SWIM has tried many different beverages for this purpose, but the only one that completely killed the vile taste and texture of the kratom powder for SWIM was grapefruit juice. Not the ruby red kind either, but the white/pink kind, as it is the most tangy, least sweet kind. Now, he can swallow his kratom with ease.

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    Are you sure you got good Kratom from a good vendor?
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    yeah it was premium from a reputable vendor. Just gonna get around to trying another attempt tomorrow. wish me luck. goin w/ good old distilled water this time.
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    Good luck!
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    Maybe you should try to lie down on a couch and close your eyes! I notice a lot more effects when i do that. Although on a quite heavy dose you should notice it anyway.

    I have allways used a kratom extract dissolved in alcohol. Never made it myself.
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    I never done Kratom myself, so do you guys think its worth to try it ones?

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    I like the effects. The effects are not psychedelic but more like opiates (i have never tried them, but i can imagine that they have a lot in common). I only tried it a few times. But yes, it's really worth a try.

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    There's no wrong way to make kratom. If you can brew coffee then you can make kratom tea. A regular coffee brewer works fine but a "french press" is my prefered way.

    If you used 12g to yourself and weren't getting the nods or feeling like you walked through a spider's web, then it's not a good vendor.

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    Kratom is definately great !

    I tried 1 gram of leaf once toss and wash and had good stimulating effects much like tea...

    but the 150x CO2 extract is definately what you want !

    You could just hold it under your tongue for 2 min and it would all dissolve and go directly in your blood...

    It's very good and very fun, very euphoric !

    Well it was for me, know your source, know your body... start low, find your dose

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    Well since the smartshop over here sell's the stuff, i think i am gonna buy some tomorrow.

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    I ordered it from iamshaman, is that not a good vendor?
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    Should be... perhaps you lack the enzyme to properly digest the stuff like 5% of the population...

    CYP*somthing34somethin*

    In that case perhaps the extract will act better on you , or perhaps it will make you sick !

    Sorry

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    I tried yesterday some liquid kratom extact, i thought i could put a low dose in my drink, but it hadn't the effects that i expected. Now i just read, you have to keep it in your mouth, which sucks because i cannot handle the taste of alcohol that well. But, i have to try again.... So that's gonna be hell of a time

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    Put it on your tongue and let it stay there for a few minutes, don't move it. Then the taste isn't that bad. But i'm not sure if it's really needed to hold it in your mouth. I tried to swallow it directly one time and the effects were the same.

    Was it a bali 2:1 10 ml bottle? I liked 10 ml, but 20 ml was a lot better! Only a bit expensive.. and maybe quite a strong dose.
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    It was the 20ml, i have still enough left. So today i will give it a new try...

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    You should take at least 10 ml to have noticeable effects. But maybe that's different for every person. So take it easy
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    I guess that i have still a little more left then 10ml, so i hope it's gonna work... Has kratom a strong tolerance?

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    One of my customers says kratom is nice by itself, but it's much better to combine it with cannabis. Kratom gives a subtle effect, that may be quite unimpressive to most psychonauts, but its synergistic effect with cannabis is remarkable.
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