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    I never tried it without smoking cannabis. But a friend of my did and told me the same. So i think that customer is right!
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    This taste is shit man! I just done 5ml and are afraid to ingest the other 5ml whats left. This fucking horrible, i would love to drink something else now I hope it's worth it

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    Haha. It doesn't taste very good indeed
    But i doubt 5 ml will be enough..
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    Yeah... that for people who never did drugs and think they're cool...

    kidding 2:1 extract ? those people are laughing at you...

    honestly don't get scammed with tinctures, you most likely better do it yourself with fresly harvested leaves. Anyways to get a good effect you will have to get at least the 50:1, but do get the 150:1 if you can, it dosen't taste bad and you can put it anywhere you like it will absorb very quick.

    You get good effects from leaves alone, but it's nothing like the extracts, if you're looking to trip on kratom you have to do high doses... thats why it's still legal, it isn't very potent !

    It's very addictive and habit forming, once again do not have sex while tripping it will drain you.

    Be careful with the extract it's very easy to take too much and end up lethargic and unable to enjoy it.

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    Finally i had ingested 10ml, but i felt nothing.... This liquid has to be crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahuaeynjxs
    Yeah... that for people who never did drugs and think they're cool...

    kidding 2:1 extract ? those people are laughing at you...

    honestly don't get scammed with tinctures, you most likely better do it yourself with fresly harvested leaves. Anyways to get a good effect you will have to get at least the 50:1, but do get the 150:1 if you can, it dosen't taste bad and you can put it anywhere you like it will absorb very quick.
    20 ml of bali 2:1 tincture worked VERY good for me (and the same for some friends)..in combination with cannabis. 10 ml was good too, but not really enough..
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    I think i just bought crap...

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    Yeah I'm sure they do work... but you're paying for something you could do yourself for much less...

    I can't produce 150x with CO2 extraction thats why I say its worth it.

    I'm very sensitive when it comes to psychedelics and others, the only thing I seem to resist to is Salvia, where I cannot have any trip if it's not 40x and I smoke a whole .1-.2 of it...

    I do not condone the abuse of any substance, when I had kratom I took probably the equivalent of your 20ml extract, I'm not into full blown experiences much anymore.

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    I'm pretty sure the combination of tap water (chlorine treated) and that I had the burner way to high destroyed the opium in the mixture.

    I just got back on temporary vicodin so I'm staying away from any other opiates, I don't mix opiates, regardless of the positive/negative feedback it's something I just wont do.
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    Burner ?!... what did you do to that poor kratom ? :S

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    I have a lot of experience with Kratom. First off it's an opiate like herb. There's nothing remotely psychedelic about it. I use it in the evenings to relax.

    You need good material to start with. Most of what you'll find in "head/smart shops" is shite!!! Get a good online vendor, there's a few of them about.

    Also dosing and strain will give different effects. Generally speaking low doses are stimulating while higher become sedating. Thai Kratom is considered the most stimulating, then Malay, to Indo and Bali. Indo and Bali being the more relaxing.

    Don't expect it to rock your world, it aint opium! As I said, for me with the doses I take it's a fairly gentle relaxer with some mood lift.

    Stay away from extracts, cause as a previous post said it has addiction potential and more so for extracts. Also, if using extracts regularily, you'll build tolerance very quickly. Stick to plain leaf and take breaks from it.

    If you want more info, then check out one of the Kratom forums. There's a couple of them about, unfortunately there private so you'ld have to register. There's also the Entheogen forums, where you'll find some info as well.

    Personally I like it and I use the toss'n'wash method, which I find most effective if you can take the taste. One hint though, is if you do go that way, hold your breathe while the Kratom is in your mouth. Otherwise you could inhale some of the powder and end up spewing the good herb all over.

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    kratom-party... opinions?

    Hello, I will be celebrating a friend's birthday soon and I thought about bringing kratom to the party... It's a small apartment thing, with at most like 20 people, probably only half of which will want to try kratom I guess.

    It is very likely that alcohol and cannabis will also be involved.

    My own experience with kratom is limited to a few double water extractions; I found 7-10 grams to be a very comfortable dose, and 15 to be overpowering.

    So my questions:
    -Is less necessary (or recommended) if alcohol and weed enter the equation? I heard the cannabis-kratom synergy is great (and probably harmless), but alcohol?
    -Has anyone tried an extraction with water and ethanol? Is it more efficient than just water?
    -What dose/person should I prepare for? 5-7 grams maybe?
    -How good an idea is it to introduce people to kratom like this? Does it spell "disaster" in flaming red bold letters, or would it work?
    -Does kratom have any potential as a social drug, or is it really more of a relax evening thing?
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    Kratom goes pretty well with alcohol if you don't take too high a dose. I have taken 1-3g of Kratom extract many times with lots of alcohol, and it was always fun.
    Once I totally lost my sense of balance though. I had been drinking all night long and eating Kratom extract all along (must have been 3-4g alltogether, I think).
    When I finally had 4 shots of absinthe in the end, I suddenly lost my balance on my way home. It was weird because it was like something was dragging me down backwards, I couldn't walk upright anymore. It looked pretty silly, so I just sat down and waited a while.
    Maybe without the Kratom I would've just collapsed anyways because I've had so much alcohol, and the Kratom kept me on my feet - I don't know, but it was really freaky
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    Re: kratom-party... opinions?

    Quote Originally Posted by significationof?!?
    So my questions:
    -Is less necessary (or recommended) if alcohol and weed enter the equation? I heard the cannabis-kratom synergy is great (and probably harmless), but alcohol?
    -Has anyone tried an extraction with water and ethanol? Is it more efficient than just water?
    -What dose/person should I prepare for? 5-7 grams maybe?
    -How good an idea is it to introduce people to kratom like this? Does it spell "disaster" in flaming red bold letters, or would it work?
    -Does kratom have any potential as a social drug, or is it really more of a relax evening thing?
    First, hi ! I think that it's not a great idea to mix kratom with alcohol, cuz it only accentuates the sedative effects, which are not as fun as the energy effects. But if you want to introduce your friends to it and drink anyway, I advise you to wait before drinking, and just having some beer at first. Is kratom a "social drug" ? I'm not sure but it can help some people to fall in each other's arms... :wink:
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    Don't combine kratom with other depressants, or large quantities of alcohol.

    From: http://kratom.nl/en/warning.htm

    Combining drugs is usually a bad idea. It is recommended that you do not combine kratom with yohimbine, cocaine, amphetamine-like drugs, or large doses of caffeine, because of the possibility of over-stimulation or increased blood pressure. We recommend that kratom not be combined with large amounts of alcohol, with benzodiazepines, opiates, or any other drugs that depress the nervous system. This is because of the possibility that such combinations might cause over-sedation or even possible respiratory depression (not breathing),
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    Okay, said party simply did not happen... But thanks nevertheless for your answers, it's good to know for future reference.

    Still, does anyone have firsthand experience with kratom+cannabis? I'm curious...
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    kratom+cannabis is great. look through this section back a few months and you will find a thread on it.
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    Ah, shame on me for not Using The Fucking Search Engine... But thanks for pointing out that thread, though.
    Good synergy with nicotine too, apparently? Cannabis+nicotine isn't as good as cannabis alone, but with kratom in the mix... hmm... I might try a low dose of this mix.
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    Kratom-Please educate

    I have never had an experience with Kratom, and am very ignorant about this substance. I was wondering if anyone could educate me a bit about this plant, where to get it, how to use it, legality (not that I'm concerned), effects it produces, length of trip, etc. Anyone who can assist would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!
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    I have never used, but just ordered 1/2 pound of the stuff. They say it can help with stress and anxiety, so lets hope it works! Anyone here have any experience with it and/or have recipes?

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    yes, there's a few threads on it if you browse back through the 'other psychoactive plants' section. i've tried it a couple times and so have others.
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    I've taken 5 grams a couple of times. Nice feeling, but not spectacular. According to someone I know, it combines very well with cannabis.

    @ user_1919: Kratom can't really help with stress and anxiety, as you can't/shouldn't take kratom regularly or daily. You've probably heard this before, but much better herbs for stress are Rhodiola, Ginseng, Ashwagandha and Eleutherococcus, all of which are potent adaptogens. Don't underestimate the calming properties of Valerian and Passion Flower either. These herbs can all be taken on a daily basis.
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    I think its legal in the US, but dont know for sure.

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    I aslo decided to explore the kratom realm and ordered 1 kg at http://secretproduct.com/

    I tested the different ways of preparing kratom and i have had the best result with this method:
    1.) Take 15 grams (1/2 ounce) of dried, crushed kratom leaves (or powder) and put into a pot. To this add 1/2 liter of water.

    2.) Boil very gently for 15 minutes. (if you boil on a very high heat, you will bring out the bitterness of the leaf).

    3.) Pour the tea through a strainer into a bowl and reserve the liquid.

    (squeeze the leaves in the strainer to get most of the liquid out).

    4.) Put the leaves back in the pot and add another liter of fresh water. Repeat steps 2 and 3.

    (after the leaves have been strained a second time, they can be discarded, or you can eat them to ensure you don't miss out of any vital alkaloids.)

    5.) Put the combined liquid from both boiling's back into the pot and boil until the volume is reduced to about 100ml - enough for 2 medium strength servings.

    Personally i have notice that when u dont reduce the volume the more nausea u get, and often vomiting, depending on the amount of water still left.
    Kratoms gives me a kind of child like feeling, really peacfull without any kind of concern, really warm inside. Also I think kratom is working more in the background then cannabis. So if u really want an instant buzz kratom is not really the best product. Combined with cannabis or hasj the euphoric feelings are stimulated. At too high dosages(for me thats 15>) it can get really unpleasant and u only want to sleep.

    ps: If u have a girlfriend, and she is open to take kratom, u should prepare for a hot steamy night, cause it really has an afrodisiac effect on some woman
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    Yep, another kratom thread...

    I dug through the board pages and simply could not find a kratom thread that would answer my question (if it's out there, could someone link it?)

    Anyway, I'm very interested in trying kratom, but there are no "head shops" in my area where I would be able to buy it. Does anyone have any online suggestions for me that have reliable product? It'd really be appreciated.

    Also, any tips or advice for a beginner like myself will definitely be helpful.

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    I dont know much, but i've heard that everyonedoesit is a trusted site.
    Here's thier Kratom catalouge:
    http://www.everyonedoesit.co.uk/search/ ... om&x=0&y=0

    But I have no idea what kind is the best there, never tried Kratom myself.
    Would be interesting to gain perspective on it though,
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    In the USA you can order it from Arena Ethnobotanicals or Bouncing Bear Botanicals. I think it's best to first experiment with kratom powder or crushed leaves, and try enhanced leaf extracts later. Try 5 grams first and see how you like it (don't expect anything spectacular). You can find a lot of information on http://mitragyna.com/.
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    Re: Yep, another kratom thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by Black_Parasol
    Also, any tips or advice for a beginner like myself will definitely be helpful.
    well i can tell you the stuff is reeeeealy gross. You best make an extract from kratom leaves by cooking them in water over and over again.

    when you make tea of it...you will not be able to drink it., because its just too nasty....but that is my experience.

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