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    Tobacco

    So I'm going to try to quit today. Again. As of now. Just finished my last pack this afternoon. I like it, but I am also addicted, and want to be free of it.

    Wonder how long I'll last this time!



    (The most I've made it before is about a week. They say it is supposed to get easier after a week. I found I didn't really notice at all for the first day or two, then it got progressively harder every day!)

    Hopefully I can score a bit of green, it might make the transition easier.. possibly?
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    don't try, just quit. :wink:

    Good luck, st.bot.32!
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    I wish you good luck.

    Strange that you say you don't notice in the first two days as they are the hardest for me lol XD. Last time I tried to quit I lasted 3 weeks. After the first week it gets pretty easy not to smoke, when I thought about smoking it didn't interest me at all, when I saw someone smoking a cigarette I felt sorry for him but it didn't make me want to smoke. I started smoking again when I had no weed and bought hash instead, and therefore needed some cigarettes to smoke it, bought a pack, and having a pack means smoking for me... So what I learned from this: NO MORE HASH, and if I ever have to buy some I'll smoke it in my glass pipe, even if it tastes bad.

    I'm quitting again since yesterday, so lets make it together!

    PS: of course it's probably gonna be harder for you, as you said you like it... I hate tobacco, I don't like the taste and it makes me feel like shit... but I'm still addicted... DAAAARGHnnnnh....

    And yes, smoking weed helps a lot, for me at least. I think it is worth smoking more weed for a little while to compensate.

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    mhm replacing one addiction with the other (weed) is no solution imho.

    I personally smoke when I feel bad, I do not force myself not to smoke. I think you can't stop if your mind says yes but your conscience says no. It needs to be both. So IMHO, if you wanna smoke 1-2 times a week when you feel bad, you shouldn't force yourself not to do it. And ask yourself: why do you want to smoke. If it is only the fact of addiction, you will probably not succeed as then you like the effect/taste but only dislike the secondary effect. You may also ask why you smoke and if your answer is addiction, ask why you are addicted. And if you were a chain smoker, it is a reaaaaly hard thing to crash-quit, so maybe you wanted to make rules e.g. no cigarettes before sunset?

    But nevertheless, good luck to you all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by restin
    mhm replacing one addiction with the other (weed) is no solution imho....
    And ask yourself: why do you want to smoke. If it is only the fact of addiction, you will probably not succeed as then you like the effect/taste but only dislike the secondary effect....
    But nevertheless, good luck to you all!
    Understandable, this was my worry at one point as well. The thing is, weed isn't physically addictive. I've smoked the herb everyday before and stopped cold turkey and been just fine. Of course I missed it, but it was nothing at al like cigarettes--I tried that with cigarettes and by day 6 I was an angsty teenie.

    For me the only reason I would have to be careful about using weed when I want to smoke tobacco.. is that like I said, it's more than addiction, I like tobacco. When I get high or I'm tripping I find a cigarette very, very enjoyable (opposite effect for some people I hear)... fortunately in that state I can keep myself busy enough that I don't think about it.

    Actually the last time I made it for a week, I had my PSP with me all the time and just submerged myself in video games all day.. even during breaks at work. It totally took my mind off the nicotine.
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    but why do you want to quit?
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    just quit. don't think, just do. be strong. be a man

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    Don't know if it's like that for everyone but for me with tobacco, it's either I smoke uncontrollably (is this a word? Anyway, I guess you understand), or I don't smoke at all.

    just quit. don't think, just do. be strong. be a man
    +1

    Also at the beginning I didn't believe that once the cravings stop even a few puffs could make you addicted again... and that is what made me fail. It started by taking a few puffs off a friend's cigarette from time to time... after a few day when I arrived at work I asked a collegue a cigarette, I though "I'm not addicted anymore, now I will be able to control myself to just smoke 1 or 2 cigarettes per week". I was wrong. The day after I worked again and asked a customer that bought a pack to sell me 2, and the day after I was buying a pack... smoking it as fast as possible so I can quit again the fastest posssible... but I still bought a few cigarettes from my friend in the following days, until monday, when I decided it was time to quit for good.

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    haha.. nice replies here

    but why do you want to quit?
    it isn't healthy. and i'm addicted. if i could keep it occasional like once a week, it wouldn't be a concern but much like psychoid, my attempts to do that have always failed.

    also after a period of smoking everyday, nicotine does cloud up my head somehow. i can't explain it, but when i quit for a while, i get a sense of clarity back. it is my uneducated guess that regular nicotine use must fuck up your head somehow if you are flooding your brain with dopamine constantly all day...

    lastly, i'm going to be away from my regular smoker friends for a while now. so there are no temptations around. now is the time to do it, if ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by st.bot.32
    also after a period of smoking everyday, nicotine does cloud up my head somehow. i can't explain it, but when i quit for a while, i get a sense of clarity back. it is my uneducated guess that regular nicotine use must fuck up your head somehow if you are flooding your brain with dopamine constantly all day...
    Yeah I notice that too, and also I generally feel more positive when I don't smoke tobacco and feel I have more energy...

    So again I wish you good success.

    Let's make a pact: if one of us fail, he sends a joint to the other, dissimulated in a pen

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    it isn't healthy. and i'm addicted.
    I don't want to get you away from your plans but maybe making this stuff clear could help. If you understand why you are doing something, you are more likely to succeed. So you like the short-term effects of nicotine but dislike the longterm. As we are quite stupid creatures, we rather concentrate on the short-term than on the long term. :wink:
    no temptations
    maybe I am too stupid but probably, if smoking is a temptation your mind still doens't really want to quit...If your mind also doesn't want to smoke, smoking is no temptation...cause you should never resist a temptation :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by restin
    it isn't healthy. and i'm addicted.
    I don't want to get you away from your plans but maybe making this stuff clear could help. If you understand why you are doing something, you are more likely to succeed. So you like the short-term effects of nicotine but dislike the longterm. As we are quite stupid creatures, we rather concentrate on the short-term than on the long term. :wink:
    [quote:1fsoa77l]no temptations
    maybe I am too stupid but probably, if smoking is a temptation your mind still doens't really want to quit...If your mind also doesn't want to smoke, smoking is no temptation...cause you should never resist a temptation :wink:[/quote:1fsoa77l]

    haha.. i totally agree on all fronts. i'm going to have to make myself quit while keeing it a temptation though.. there is no way i'm going to be able to make myself dislike tobacco.. it's embedded into me. i've had mushroom trips where i tripped out just on the feeling of the tobacco rush going across my brain.. (and no cigarettes, just the thought of it!)

    sometimes we just have to pull up our bootstraps and quit things we really like because they aren't good for us.. don't ask me how... just do it i guess!
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    I see Good luck! Both of you.
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    Will power sir, like Lion said, "be a man." I use the variance "man up" which motivates me. Also, I find pot to be quite addicting.
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    Quitting is not for me, i just roll one whenever i feel like it.
    If i dont feel like it i dont.

    Smoking in the morning is what gets you the rest of the day...

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    nobody likes a quitter :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by st.bot.32
    (The most I've made it before is about a week. They say it is supposed to get easier after a week. I found I didn't really notice at all for the first day or two, then it got progressively harder every day!)
    I did quit smoking for one year. I can say i was totally free from the addiction of tobacco. But then i smoked one joint with some tobacco(I never thought about that) and i directly felt my self addicted to weed, which of course was not the weed but the fucking tobacco. I kept smoking joints for weeks and finally i started with smoking again. So if you quit, NEVER and NEVER try it again! That's my advice

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    true, that is probably how it would be for me!

    i do know a few of those people who can start and stop smoking whenever they feel like it. lucky bastards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by st.bot.32
    true, that is probably how it would be for me!

    i do know a few of those people who can start and stop smoking whenever they feel like it. lucky bastards.

    There blessed

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    Good luck to those quitting.

    I smoked my last one at 4 in the morning 1st of June last. I had an asmathic attack (I'm not asmathic). It was like someone was standing on my chest, a very uncomfortable sensation. I thought fuck it, Im finished. I've not smoked since.

    However, I use the gum to wean myself of them. I'm down to 3-4 chews a day now. At some point I'll get off them as well. even so it's a hell of a lot healthier than smoking and bear in mind I smoked for more the 20 years an ounce of baccy a day.

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    That's pretty cool. I haven't been smoking since November now.

    What I did was, I tried nicotine chewing gum. I bought some, and tried it just one day. It was the hardest day to try quitting, because I was surrounded by a lot of smokers. They were all constantly having cigarette breaks, but chewing nicotine gum helped me through it without bigger problems. After that day I knew I could quit with the help of nicotine gums.

    I thought maybe it would be hard to quit the nicotine gums then, but I am already down to one or two per day, without even trying to reduce them. Maybe because I really don't like chewing gum all day, and they really aren't that much fun to chew. However they do change the feeling of "I really need a cigarette now" to "no, I don't need a cigarette at all!"

    This seems very promising to me, I have already broken all the habits of cigarette breaks and having a cigarette with your coffee and so on. I think in a few weeks or so I will be down to less than one gum per day - but I can keep them with me for a long time as a safety net against nicotine urges.
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    sounds nice tryponaut,viel Glück further on :wink:
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    Tobacco: History and hazards

    Some interesting tidbits about tobacco. Stumbled upon it looking for news about entheogens...

    May 6, written by Dr. S.D.Shanmugakumar

    TOBACCO is an agricultural product processed from the fresh leaves of plants in the genus Nicotiana. It can be consumed in the form of nicotine tartarate, which is used as adjuvant in some medicines. It can be consumed in the form of smoking, chewing, snuffing, dipping tobacco or snus.

    Tobacco has been used as an entheogen in the Americas. But, after the arrival of Europeans in North America, it quickly became popularised as trade item and as recreational drug. This popularisation led to an economic boom in the United States, resulting in the growth of tobacco companies in the mid -1900’s.

    The word Nicotiana was named in honour of Jean Nicot, French ambassador to Portugal, who in 1559 sent it as a medicine to the court of Catherine de Medici. Because of the addictive properties of nicotine, tolerance and dependence developed. Absorption quantity, frequency and speed tobacco consumption are believed to be directly related to biological strength of nicotine dependence, addiction and tolerance. According to World Health Organisation reports, 5.4 millions annually die because of consumption of tobacco.

    Etymology:

    The Spanish word 'Tabaco' is thought to be originated in Arawakan language of the Caribbean. Similar words were also utilised in Spanish and Italian in the year 1410. Arabic language supports the Tabbaq from ninth century.

    Types of Tobacco:

    * Aromatic Fire cured
    * Bright leaf tobacco
    * Burley tobacco
    * Caven dish
    * Criollo tobacco
    * Dokham
    * Oriental tobacco
    * Perique
    * Shade tobacco
    * White burley
    * Wild tobacco
    * Y1

    Consumption:

    Tobacco products were been categorised as:

    Beedi which are thin, often flavoured, south Asian cigarettes made of tobacco wrapped in a tendu leaf and secured with coloured thread at one end.



    Chewing tobacco is one of the oldest ways of consuming tobacco leaves. It is consumed orally in two forms: through sweetened strands or in a shredded form. Small amounts were placed at a bottom of the lip, between the gum and teeth.

    Cigars were tightly rolled bundle dried and fermented tobacco, which is ignited produces smoke which can be drawn in to the smoker’s mouth.

    Creamy snuff are tobacco paste, which comprises of tobacco, clove oil, glycerin, spear mint, menthol and camphor and sold in a tooth paste. The brand names are Ipco, Denobac, Tona and Mishri

    Gutkha and Hookah are a preparation of crushed betel nut, tobacco and sweet or savory flavourings. It is manufactured in India and exported to a few other countries. A mild stimulant, it is sold across India in small, individual-size packets.



    Snus is steam-cured moist powder tobacco product that is not fermented and does not induce salivation. It is consumed by placing it in the mouth against the gums for an extended period of time. It is a form of snuff that is used in a manner similar to American dipping tobacco, but does not require regular spitting.

    http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/5435/snus.jpg

    Health hazards:

    Tobacco consumption is a wide problem for a multi-million people nation like India. The consumption of tobacco is seen as a major reason of oral cancer in the country. According to a survey conducted in the National Capital Territory of Delhi, the starting age of tobacco consumption is 10-18 years. The survey also found that nearly, 3,422 children were affected by the oral cancer across the capital.

    A recent study in 52 countries has revealed that 35.7 per cent of myocardial infractions were attributed to smoking. Smoking is a health hazard because so many people lose their lives due to smoking-related diseases. Smoking affects different parts of the body, which includes heart, lungs and brain.

    Lung cancer accounts for 22 per cent of cancer deaths. Ninety per cent of the people, who get cancer of the throat and mouth because they used tobacco. Forty years of smoking causes 60 per cent greater chance of getting lung cancer. Smoking can also ruin your appearance by staining your teeth, yellowing your finger nails and causes wrinkles, gum disease, tooth decay and bad breadth. Asthmatic effect would also be caused due to the hypersensitivity of tobacco consumption.

    Thus, pledge to say no to cigar and tobacco products, in order to prevent lung and oral cancer. If you quit tobacco today, you may save many lives and younger generation from being the victims of tobacco.

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    [Tobacco] Weird

    Usually, whenever I smoke a cigarette, I feel depressed and exhausted afterwards. However, I discovered this week that if I have taken some pseudo-ephedrine recently then the effect is reduced by like 95%, and the effect of tobacco is a bit better. Or it may be that cigarettes mysteriously stopped having this effect on me (which would be a very bad thing).

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    Whuat? I feel better when i smoke!
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    Re: [Tobacco] Weird

    How long have you been smoking and how much per day?
    If you smoke like a train, you could be on the verge of a nicotine overdose.
    Everything makes sense now!

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    Re: [Tobacco] Weird

    LOL

    no

    me smokas minimas cigarettas

    yo can't resistar la temptation

    Generous people become traps :O

    Y todos the fumeurs in general.

    Sorry for my bad english.

    EDIT: That pseudo-ephedrine thing is bullshit, cigarette just decided to give me a break for 2 days

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    Re: [Tobacco] Weird

    All sympathomimetic drugs go very well with nicotine. The first time I took mdma when it hit me I smoked a cigarette, and then I smoked another 4 cigarettes right after because it felt so great. Every sympathomimetic drug from speed to ephedrine will make you smoke more because the nicotine rush feels so good.
    I also read somewhere that cigarette smoke has some maoi components (monoamine-oxidase inhibitors) that will make a lot of drug effects stronger - that is why smoking on shrooms, lsd or anything like that feels great. Also on alcohol cigarettes feel much better than sober.

    However cigarettes are shit. You don't really gain anything from smoking cigarettes, except that you will get addicted and you'll have to smoke every hour or so or you will feel really bad. Glad I broke that habit a year ago!
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    Re: [Tobacco] Weird

    I don't smoke tobacco anymore, and I'm feeling much better, especially my lungs!

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    Re: [Tobacco] Weird

    LOL! this thread made my day!!! :weedman: +1000000

    edit: too bad i'm still chainsmoker but when i smoke weed i don't smoke sigs at all 8[
    i'm so disgusted by the world of today..

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