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    Quote Originally Posted by GOD
    " Morning Glories are every bit as glorious as San Pedro or mushrooms, and they mop the floor with LSD. "

    Sorry but i sounds to me like you havent had a big enough dose of san pedro , mushrooms or real LSD .
    I could say the exact same thing, and suggest that you haven't had a big enough dose of Morning Glories. It's simply a matter of personal preference. I also don't think it's all about the size of the dose. I like to use psychedelics for the purpose of meditation, self-analysis, connecting with fellows, and general self-improvement. While the experiences are no doubt fun, that is not my purpose in taking the drug. I prefer a low to medium dose, as I find that if I dose too high the beneficial effects are overpowered by the intensity of the experience. I have experienced a most divine connection to nature and the spirit of the vine while using Morning Glories. I'm not trying to say they're the be-all-end-all psychedelic for everyone, not at all, but I am saying that I've achieved stellar results with them.
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    "I prefer a low to medium dose, as I find that if I dose too high the beneficial effects are overpowered by the intensity of the experience. " "It's simply a matter of personal preference."

    I have tried Morning Glory seeds in varying doses using diferent methods of preparation , but i prefer a real psychedelic experience than a weak , boring or placebo / homeopathic one .
    If in doubt double the dose

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    well i just harvested 1000 seeds from my back yard.............wooop...
    but still shrooms, LSD, they are way more powerfull than ANY morning glory i have tryed....tho MG is a nice easy trip taken with dramamine {reduce sickness} or fuck heres what i do

    first cold water extraction!!
    then dry it all out!!!
    put the yellow goo in '00' caps!!
    eat em' with some dramamine!!

    EASY AND EFFECTIVE!! try it

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    I couldn't handle doing Morning Glory again. Last time I did, I chewed up 8.1g of the stuff. Then after walking around with pals for a while, we stopped outside a Wal-Mart, where I threw up for several minutes, almost non-stop. Afterwards was a nice trip though. But definitely not worth it

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    no pods

    I do have lots of ipomoea indica in a yard. But I don't see any pods coming out... I think its because of the wheather. I live in a would say temperate zone in Argentina. I see flowers decaying after blooming in a few days. How much time does it take for flowers to become pods? can you help me. I want to take a ipomoea trip. Also there are some Hawaiian baby wood rose and Ipomoea Violacea still small. I know indica does not have too much power but i would like to prove it by meself.

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    I like to use psychedelics for the purpose of meditation, self-analysis, connecting with fellows, and general self-improvement.
    That's my man! LSAs because of less or minimum visual character, sedation, less energy, less duration etc, can be very interesting psychoanalytically, after you over come the nausea and vomit a bit.

    GOD: [what a nick]
    but i prefer a real psychedelic experience than a weak , boring or placebo / homeopathic one .
    a REAL one, huh? your preference doesn't make it any more real than anyone else's own experience. And, intensity doesn't make it more real also, it might just make a believer believe more, though But I am very curious to hear about your opinion on salvia or amanita or smoked DMT. What do you say?

    There are a lot of different Ipomoea plants , some are poisonous and others are supposed to be "hallucinogenic"
    supposed to, huh?

    There are good reasons why the mexican people forgot about the "hallucinatory" effects of these seeds and didnt forget about Peyote , Cannabis and Psilocybin mushrooms .
    Wow, where did you read THIS mate? They forgot about it, huh? So i doesn't grow in the wild any more in central america, huh?

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    Re: Harvesting Morning Glory

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    Alright, my neighbour has a HUGE morning glory plant in his backyard. I tried picking some with some friends the other day. We picked little pods and they contained seeds. The only thing is that some where black, while others were white.
    I'll tell you the DeepTurtle method of harvesting morning glory seeds. All pods must be harvested before first frost, or they get mushy and no good. So, pick them all, black or white. Pick all the pods. Put them in a large ceramic bowl, for shelling later on.

    You can start to tell which seeds will be white, which black, because the black seeds come in a dry "paper" like brown pod. All the pods will eventually dry out this way, and all the seeds will eventually turn black. If the pods are whitish and moist, with green stem, let them dry for a couple more days before shelling. As you husk the dry, brown pods (watching tv, or talking with friends, or whatever), keep rotating the un-shelled pods so they get plenty of air and dry out. Move them around so the pods don't get moldy. Pick up the bowl and shake periodically.

    All pods will eventually dry out properly in a week, in a dry warm room. They need to ripen on their own, don't put them in an oven or on top of a radiator. Even seeds that were white will turn black eventually.

    Put shelled black seeds in pile on newspaper. Do not put in plastic container until thoroughly dried, or the seeds will get moldy. Properly dried seeds should be like hard little rocks, totally dry to the touch. Newspaper helps the drying process. After thorough drying, you can put them in a little plastic container, and cover it for long storage.

    My harvest last fall was several thousand seeds.

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    nice harvesting tips

    I agree in general. You are supposed to let it on the plant to dry if you can, well, NOT if they're rotting..., but the more it dries ON the plant, the better.

    light + heat is also bad for LSAs so keep then in shade , in a cool place.

    What do you usually dose on, when fresh seeds are used DeepTurtle ?? [I suppose we're talking Heavenly blue, no?]

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    Quote Originally Posted by mutant
    nice harvesting tips

    I agree in general. You are supposed to let it on the plant to dry if you can, well, NOT if they're rotting..., but the more it dries ON the plant, the better.
    Yeah, I think you're right about this, but I was out there every day for about two weeks, picking and picking, so naturally I got a lot of unripe ones. Those I let ripen in my big ceramic bowl. Then frost came in October, the whole plant died. It seemed that picking the dead flowers (pods) actually stimulated flower growth, because it was a dense mass of purple flowers

    Quote Originally Posted by mutant
    What do you usually dose on, when fresh seeds are used DeepTurtle ?? [I suppose we're talking Heavenly blue, no?]
    I think they are ipomea violacea, tricolor. Mine were a velvet purple, not blue. It took me many tries to get a successful effect, and that using a coffee grinder, about 500 seeds, and a cold water infusion.

    The comparisons to LSD, though, you've got to understand I've had some very powerful acid in my life. The best by far, and the most psychedelic voyage of all was on something called purple microdot. They were about the size of a pinhead, or a poppyseed, and purple. The hairs on my arm turned into swimming fish, then crawling spiders. It was actually a good trip, though. I've only had one bad trip on acid, then I swore it off for 20 years because it was very bad. I was knocking on Heaven's door, but God wasn't answering.

    One time on purple microdot me and my friend went to a gravel pit and rode our motorcycles, tripping our brains out. Then, I flew over a jump on my motorcycle. Between the time I flew off the jump, and the moment I landed back on the sand, I completely blacked out. I almost crashed, so I had to shut the machine off. The grass was like bright neon-green spikes. The sand was like some kind of clay world, like being in Gumby-land. Still, even that was a good trip. We drove to McDonalds later, and my friends told me to order for them. I got to the front of the line, the place was full of people. I couldn't remember one single thing to order. I burst out laughing, and had to leave. Later we drove through the city on our motorcycles, through a nice suburban neighborhood. All the houses were like plastic, artificial (well, duh, houses are artificial), but I mean like toy houses in a play world.

    Later we went back to another sand bank (gravel pit). There, I really did live a parallel life, like I was walking on another planet, in the back of my mind, but still in this one. That other planet was very dense. The hairs on my legs were dense, and my legs were like dense clay, again, kind of like being in a Gumby world.

    My experience is that it is best to trip on a clear, blue, warm summer day, where the good vibes are all around. Being couped up inside in the middle of winter can be a nightmare. It's good to be around understanding friends, too.

    Oops, sorry, rambling!

    I enjoy the organic entheogens much better.

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    Yeah, I remember micro. The purple were more powerful than the black ones I think.

    In reality I was asking for heavenly blue... [heavenly blue IS I.tricolor, the tube is actually yellow and the flower blue]

    anyway, you of course suggest 500 from the purple ones you say for an intense trip, is that so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mutant
    Yeah, I remember micro. The purple were more powerful than the black ones I think.

    In reality I was asking for heavenly blue... [heavenly blue IS I.tricolor, the tube is actually yellow and the flower blue]

    anyway, you of course suggest 500 from the purple ones you say for an intense trip, is that so?
    I never saw the black microdot (never knew there was such a thing). But I sure saw a lot of colors on the purple ones!

    I think heavenly blue is a variety of tricolor. Specifically, those tricolors that are "heavenly blue" in color! Last season was particularly good one for mine, which happened to be purple (I don't think color is a reliable indicator, because they are all hybrids, anyway).

    Anyway, I did not grow them because they were medicine, I grew them because they were pretty.

    As for numbers of seeds that worked for my personal entheogenic pleasure, that number was around five hundred. I wouldn't call the experience intense. I would call it mild. A little butterflies in the stomach, but ginger candy took care of that. I would compare it to a mild mushroom trip. Could be I didn't do a good extraction.

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    The plant in the photo is propably some I.violacea or I.purpurea hybrid. Yeah they are all hybrids, heavenly blue being a variety of I.tricolor.

    It is repoted that 150-300 seeds of freshly harvested Heavenly blue is enough for a full experience, instead of 350-500 [vendor material] when they are not fresh.

    So I suppose this Ipomea might not be so potent as Heavenly blue. It's strange you didn't throw up! All this genus seeds have at least some LSA, but ALL are purgative!

    Although I am not so sure you should hold vomit all the way. After 1.5~2 hours it's 'OK' to vomit [all LSAs have been absorbed] and vomiting might make you feel relieved [in a real or more symbolic way anyway].

    Just some thoughs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mutant
    The plant in the photo is propably some I.violacea or I.purpurea hybrid. Yeah they are all hybrids, heavenly blue being a variety of I.tricolor.

    It is repoted that 150-300 seeds of freshly harvested Heavenly blue is enough for a full experience, instead of 350-500 [vendor material] when they are not fresh.

    So I suppose this Ipomea might not be so potent as Heavenly blue. It's strange you didn't throw up! All this genus seeds have at least some LSA, but ALL are purgative!
    Although I am not so sure you should hold vomit all the way. After 1.5~2 hours it's 'OK' to vomit [all LSAs have been absorbed] and vomiting might make you feel relieved [in a real or more symbolic way anyway]. If one has about an ounce of seeds, hypothetically speaking, and performs the cold water infusion, as stated in a previous post, it is something that a hypothetical person might wish to try. The use of the coffee filter, and the water turns amber, and just as the opaque liquid begins to penetrate the filter, remove the mushy pulp....Then, one has extracted mostly the LSA, without the nauseous inducing compounds.

    Also, I don't throw up very easily. I have been sick on poisonous mushrooms, and poisonous butterfly weed (mistook it for milkweed), and also chewing some very strong tobacco leaf from Nicaragua. Morning glory seeds are not that bad by comparison to those.

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    Oh, that maybe explains it a bit.

    Still, the cold water extraction is not supposed to remover all purgative elements. I think some LSAs are also purgative as well... so...

    ...and, heck, what kind of poisonous mushrooms had you eaten man? I pick edibles for table... be carefull with your ID's

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeepTurtle
    Those are Ipomoea acuminata

    Wikipedia:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipomoea_acuminata

    Link for Image from Wikipedia:
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    They are common called Blue Dawn Vine, because they open in the dawn with a blue tone and during the day they turn into purple. But in the dawn they are more blue if not completly blue.

    These flowers appear in clusters of many flowers, but i cant seem to find seeds from them, at least in my country i've still not found any seed from this vine.

    You should plant the Ipomea Tricolor variety and if you can choose, then choose the heavenly blue. The Ipomea Tricolor has less flowers thought cause they are single and not clustered.

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    I think I got tons of this in my area.... but then again, there are plenty purple ipomoeas...

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    If you buy some Morning Glory seeds from a store, can you use that as well?
    Is it better to get them off some actual flowers?

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    If you buy some Morning Glory seeds from a store, can you use that as well?
    Is it better to get them off some actual flowers?
    Sure. Be sure to get 'not treated' seeds. People prefer Heavenly blue variety.

    But yeah, it's said to be better if the seeds are freshly picked from the right plant

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    Quote Originally Posted by mutant
    Wow, where did you read THIS mate? They forgot about it, huh? So i doesn't grow in the wild any more in central america, huh?
    Most plants sustain themselves, and don't need farmers to propagate. I guess the same holds for morning glory. So people can forget a plant or not use it, and it will still grow on.
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    Most plants sustain themselves, and don't need farmers to propagate. I guess the same holds for morning glory. So people can forget a plant or not use it, and it will still grow on.
    well, of course, yes...

    I just found it too hard to believe that they are not used any more. Or even more that it is forgotten. It could be understandable though, if you live in an area vines, mushrooms, cacti and salvia grow. Beyond my irony, it was still a decent question about the source indicating their use has ceased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCBA-25
    Quote Originally Posted by DeepTurtle
    Those are Ipomoea acuminata

    Wikipedia:
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    I know its just a small unimportant point, but I'd put money on those plants pictured by deepturtle not being acuminata, acuminata have leaves shaped slightly like a maple leaf, whereas violacea/tricolor and purpurea have heart-shaped leaves - from comparing to the plants I own I would say deep's plant is purpurea, assuming the bud tips are hairy - if they're waxy then they would be comparable to my tricolor / violacea plant. If anyone's interested I'll put up more info. on a new post about what I've learned from growing the different species at the same time, and same conditions, otherwise i'll just keep my mouth shut.
    It's kinda like being shot out of a cannon in slow motion.

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    Please mate,
    by all means say more!!!

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    Hi there,
    I have made some MG-"tea", and now I have seeds left, from the filtering.

    I have maybe a rather stupid question...but it is possible to smoke MG's? Of course in pulverized form etc. , just wondering.
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    The short answer is no... your welcome to try, but I'm lead to believe the alkaloids break down at high temperature.
    It's kinda like being shot out of a cannon in slow motion.

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    that's what I thought about, too. Thanks for the answer. I have another question: when resp. how fast does the effect of MG actually begin?
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    How long till it starts? difficult question to answer -

    My first experience had no effects till +4 hours after dose (100 heavenly blue, soaked for 12hrs in orange juice) but at the +4 hour mark the experience hit me like a freight train.

    Another experience had a building effect from +30 minutes to peak at + 4 hours (although this was an extract).

    So using my experience, I'd say a couple of hours.. give or take a couple of hours
    It's kinda like being shot out of a cannon in slow motion.

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    thanks...well,you know,you may have realised I'm quite new at this stuff. The problem is following: I have made 125 seeds or so and mixed it with some water, I left it for 2 days or so. When I left the stuff through a filter, the whole thing was very brownish and so and when I drank it, it had a very distasteful "earthy" flavour...I really had to drink some ice tea to bring the taste off more or less. afterwards I ate bout 10 seeds and just waited. When I somehow felt that it began, I went outside. Well, it was quite interesting there, everything was brighter or so and the walk was interesting,I couldn't even smoke because I felt bit funny, but it wasn't really an "experience", it was rather a small flash or so. Afterwards I went to a concert and so on but to bring ot onto a point, I didn't feel anything really "tripping", an experience, something that makes you go "woooo". After I drank that brownish stuff, I really felt bad in the stomach, I couldn't bring off the earthy flavour out of the mouth the whole evening...please, help me, how can I improve this, before I give up this plant with the wonderfull name?
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    It's a shame you didn't get the full effects. Sounds to me like it was just a threshold experience for you.

    My guess would be:

    A) your more resistant - double the dose

    B) dodgy extraction - try a different method / double the dose / different extraction medium (perhaps water hardness in your area may have an effect - try alcohol, something mildly acidic, or distilled water)

    In some cases the simple methods are the best - I tend not to bother with water extraction for morning glory - I don't get enough nausea from them to warrent it - I just soak the seeds for 12 hours, then crush them to a pulp and eat / drink the lot. different case with hawiian baby woodrose though, just thinking of the acrid smell makes me gag - for HBWR I do a chemical extraction - but only for large doses - 15 HBWR + for example.

    I also refrain from food for 12 hours previous to the experience, and I find that gives less nausea, and seems to strengthen the effect.

    Don't give up yet! perhaps the plant isn't for you, but I advise waiting a few days (at least) then try doubling the dose before shelving it.

    Have you tried other psychedelics by the way?
    It's kinda like being shot out of a cannon in slow motion.

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    you may be right with the dose, I'll try that out. After you have soaked the seeds and you have pupled it- do you put it out of the extraction medium to eat it or do you drink the whole?

    The stuff with the food is very interesting and a good advice, thanks.

    Do you know how I can get away the strange flavour though? I don't think I have hawaiian baby woodrose...

    Hmm, no not really, what can you advise?

    PS: can you explain me the stuff with the biological name of morning glory? I have "ipomoea tricolor (Pharbitis purpurea) Convulvulacea", so it is written on the package. They are the right ones, aren't they? I ged confused because some people talk about "violacea" or "tricolor Cav."...
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    What I do is drink the liquid, then eat the pulp, then wash it down with a little water or fruit juice.

    As for the flavour, I usually just grin and bear it, but you could try wrapping the pulp in bits of bread to help, haven't tried it myself, so not sure if it would work.

    I would advise trying to get a full experience on morning glory first - but if that fails / you don't feel it lives up to expectations, then maybe salvia is for you - I'm not really keen on the salvia trip personally... more of a strange confusing experience than anything else for me... otherwise you'd have to go to LSD / 'shrooms.... or DMT...



    The Biological naming is a bit confusing when it comes to morning glory - head over to wikipedia for a good idea of how flimsy the term "morning Glory" is.

    Ipomoea tricolor is the "right one" I'd ignore the term "Pharbitis purpurea" - just from a picture search on google I can see lots of different morning glory species being called "Pharbitis purpurea." Convulvulacea is the family that Ipomoea belongs to (bindweeds). Ipomoea purpurea might be psychoactive, but I'm yet to test it.

    I'll be posting a little comparison on this forum soon about differences between two species (I. tricolor, I. purpurea), but I'm concentrating on other, University work at the moment - so have to set that as priority.

    Good luck.
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