Thread: Explain Kratom, please

So I've heard probably the major things about Kratom; works chew the leaves to get a relaxed feeling, you can make tea, people grind it in capsules, etc...

I don't really hear the effects really concretely though, a lot of vagueness. Obviously I think I know somewhat of what it does as that's why I am interested.

Also heard people say take 20g in tea to feel anything, some say take 2g powder and give it 30 mins, if nothing take 2g more and that should be plenty.

Pretty much I'm looking for some clarification, a better idea of what it actually does and feels like.

Also if anyone knows where I could acquire some? Not sure if this is something that could possibly be sold any sort of store anywhere? I know there are websites, but buying it online kind of seems sketchy, it is legal where I live and sites offer discrete shipping, but I don't like giving my info out online especially to a drug site (not trying to be offensive, but drug sellers carry a reputation [few bad apples ruin the bunch])...

http://www.kratomcaps.com
and
http://www.iamshaman.com/kratom.htm
were the places I was looking, looked promising, but then again they can really say whatever they want to get sales...

(ok rambled enough, please help me out)

Thanks!!

We'll im curious what more knowledgeable people say but from personal experience I purchased 4grams of Standardized 10:1 concentrate (brown powder). First time I took it I took .1g which I guess would be 1g normal and it was ok. I wanted to relax before bed and it let me relax and get comfortable and felt real nice to get dreamy and fall asleep.

Still I wasnt sure I was getting the most from the experience so this last time I did .2 10:1 and it was really nice. Felt very warm and cozy fairly fast and then had some nice dreamy feeling and drifted off to sleep.

Now I have wierd tolerances so its not really a good idea to go by what works for me but I dont know if things like weight or brain chemistry would affect the kratom or not. Some 'legal highs' like Panama Bud get me as high as some people get off real cannibus so who knows.

I will say the next day after the .1 was fairly normal. Woke up a little 'groggy' but it wore off once I got motivated and gong.

After the .2 however I found that I kept wanting to go back to bed and dream more. And I did twice and enjoyed it and even felt like it was the right thing to do. But if I had to be somewhere I am not entirely sure that I would have gotten up and not felt the same way, even like sleeping through an important meeting would have felt like the right thing to do. It definitely felt like it was the drug 'making everything ok' in my mind.

That however was only after about 5.5 to 6 hours of sleep so it might be that if I gave myself a full 8 hours of not bein anywhere and expected an hour to wake up and get going it might be a good night time medication to relax too from time to time.

However I still have to research the addictability of it. I worry about anything that makes you feel 'warm and cozy' as it sounds too much like an opiate. Dont know kratom well enough yet to know how I would respond to regular dosages.

Still 4g of 10:1 with like 3.7 left shoiuld last me a while anyway so I can experiment still.

I think I have a trip report in the trip reports section for my .1 kratom experience if you wanted to check that out.

oh and the .2 didnt really disalve in warm water though probably it might in hot water but the I would have to ice it to drink it fast and then you have all that water in your system and make you pee in an hour. I mixed the .2 with a half a glass of warm water stirred it up so it was all wet and then slammed it to just get it in my system. Seemed to work well enough.

I've heard mixed responses on the extracts, although I'd love clarification, I'd prefer to get powdered leaves (but i've heard that is the easiest to fake, which is why I was hoping someone knew some reputable source) ideally I'd love just have good capsules, no taste at all.

As for addictiveness, I've read from all sources, including those trying to sell and those offering nothing but information that Kratom has nearly no addictiveness despite it's opiate like qualities. In fact a lot of opiate/heroin addicts (don't know any personal) I've heard use Kratom to help detox.

Any more specifics on the effects would be greatly appreciated.

if you're fond of headshops, see if they have any. headshops always have real stuff.

i love kratom

hmmm well I know for sure my local headshop wouldn't have it... but maybe I can search around and make some phone calls to relatively close ones. I don't know about online shops, I haven't really ever heard anyone say a site that know is legit for sure, so its hard to know.

Tried some headshops around, most didn't know what kratom was, one seemed eager when I mentioned it... but then told me he didn't have any nor knew where I could find any. Only found 1 that had it, but it is a good hour drive at least from, and they wanted 39.95 for 4g.... seemed like a bit of a rip off if you ask me...

Will perhaps give the head-shop search 1 more try, but really would just love to know of any legit sites, if not allowed to post it message me, please.


and... if anyone could explain Kratom a bit more, I read if you eat like 2-3g you feel sedated, but like 5g and you feel energetic, and in between is some sort of mix of the two.

For me .1g of 10x seemed to be sedated. .2g of 10x seemed to be 'fluffy sedated' but it also almost gave me a nose bleed last night I think so I am laying off for a while till my nose isnt dry from the winter. You know how you can feel when its crusty? Well it was like last time I took it I actually felt my nose drying and turning that way and it was creeeeepy. May be a reaction with something or maybe the fact that it was 10x and as opposed to 2g of 1x (hit me all at once) but I am going to wait so I dont end up with an actual nose bleed from it.

the main active components are opioids, so they produce effects like morphine, but they are also adrenergic. In my experience it's also seems to have a maximum effective dose, i've never managed to get as strong effects from it as i have from morphine or heroin even with very large doses, especially if i have built of tolerance. It seems to only be a partial agonist at least for mu receptors, kind of like suboxone. Kratom should result in withdrawls similar to any other opioid, though i've never had them from kratom alone.

kratom is dissociative

dissociatives are things like dxm, ketmine, nitroius oxide, pcp. I dont think kratom is one, but more of an opiod. I am intersted in its effects also. I am wondering why if it is a mild opaite why it isnt so popular and everyone isnt doing it? It must be legal for a reason.

I tried Kratom extract couple weeks back. Think it was around 2 grams. I work a lot on my computer for work etc. First my hands started to sweat a little. Couldn't concentrate on mulstitasking between software programs any longer, even clicking the mousebuttons seemed to much for me. Went to bed and then it hit me, this bliss feeling going through my whole body to the end of my toes. I must say i never had this deep satisfying feeling of contentment for a long time. (Not even from smoking Cannabis) Smiling myself into sleep state. Had a very odd dream that night where i was taking kratom with someone and we both had to drag each other through the dark streets. For me personally Kratom helps to relax my body before going to sleep. I also found that Kratom and Cannabis go very well together. Sometimes when the high is a little to much from smoking Cannabis i use kratom to get myself down a little. I don't use Kratom daily only when i feel tension when going to bed.

Originally Posted by jaywabz

dissociatives are things like dxm, ketmine, nitroius oxide, pcp. I dont think kratom is one, but more of an opiod. I am intersted in its effects also. I am wondering why if it is a mild opaite why it isnt so popular and everyone isnt doing it? It must be legal for a reason.

Depending on the strain, kratom is stimulating or sedating. For example; white vein is stimulating, red vein is more sedating.
The effects are rather mild, and it is also not addictive (or at least, not more addictive then coffee) which explains why it is legal in most countries.

I won't buy extracts tbh, I heard stories of them being laced with RC's, not sure if it's true or not,
There is also a hypothesis that plain kratom leaf contains chemicals that make it non-addictive. In extracts the ratio's of the chemicals are fucked up, so extracts can be addictive, in contrary to plain leaf.
Also plain leaf is allot cheaper,
so just buy plain leaf, and empty capsules if you think the taste is horrible

Kratom is the common name given to the leaves of Mitragyna speciosa, a tree that is native to southern Asia. Adult trees average about 15-20 feet in height and produce a multitude of dark green leaves.

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