indefinite pause from trips

[????????]

i used to think i could swallow an entheogen and be magically "fixed" and on my way to enjoy the pleasures of life. thinking like that undermines the work that the individual has to do, and i have found out that i can, by thinking seriously about what i'm doing and what i should do, be in control. i don't need to trip to be stable. now you might be thinking duh but i used to think i needed it, even if only as a tool. scheduling trips was highly pleasurable activity but i'm going to stop doing it.

if i want to be alone and relax and tune in to the universe's love i can do it sober (i couldn't before, this was gained).

if i want to feel a bit psychedelic and experience waking consciousness with an added plus i can smoke some cannabis.

i just don't get all the good stuff i used to from tripping. i mean, the first experiences showed me how the mind really works and altered me in ways i can only begin to grasp. but since i thought about all this a lot afterwards i feel i digested my experiences thoroughly and i got so much done. i think'll stop for some years.

when i trip now i feel i get to this "place" i've been before but since the I that experiences gets trashed the enjoyment comes from remembering the experience because while it happens it's all so confusing. i don't feel myself (my normal me) until the day after, after getting some sleep. this confusion, i feel, takes a toll on the mind. you know it's that feeling you get, your own mind spells danger, despite we all knowing there are no physical side effects to be wary off. but you get that feeling nonetheless.

i have done several solo trips and i think i got the message. so i'll just hang up for now. (i'm thinking of the big cosmic message) and when i come up on lsd i get so sexual and horny that sometimes i think it's a waste being by myself!

social trips can be fun but there are so many issues to consider, besides an appropriate setting, a complex thing by itself, the mind of everyone is justs something you cannot accurately predict. i tried mushrooms recently and one of the guys with me, a guy i could get to know several days beforehand and who i thought would be okay, completely lost it and freaked out. i won't type the whole story here but windows were broken, people got hurt and more nasty stuff. he does not remember well, he says he felt like in a nightmare. i got very very worried about my friends and felt guilt because it was kind of my idea. now i feel i must be very cautious in planning social trips (i thought i was!). so it's not fun anymore for me.

so yeah, i'm done. for the time being. i just don't feel i get the desired remuneration after all the input that goes with it.

 

[st.bot.32]

good observations.. knowing your body and your mind and what you are getting out of your trips. I so agree, entheogens don't do the work for you.. they give you a different perspective, but you are the one who still has to put things together on your own.

knowing and appreciating what you can do with a sober mind is essential.. i love sobriety (in moderation).

like you I find that these days I'm quite in touch with myself, of course I did start taking entheogens late in life so I kind of knew myself already and had explored a lot of ways of bending my mind without drugs. the first few trips I took were earth shattering but these days taking acid often makes me even more myself. (i still do it is because I genuinely enjoy the experience, it's a visit to the garden of sensory delights, and I find it very productive in my creative practices.. and yes i still get the odd unexpected insight out of it).

enjoy your break!!

 

[????????]

thank you

 

[restin]

I think this is a very good decision. With drugs it is often difficult to keep your liberty, you can get chained to them without realizing...

I hope that you will nonetheless stay on the forum with us !!

 

[aryaman]

I'm also in tripping break, so I can understand you, and it seems to me like a good thing.

I also feel like is enaugh for me now... if I trip, I only see and feel what I already know. It became useless.


also because I started to have bad feelings

Like, dreams with a tripping sensation, feeling of dmt or 5-meo coming back although I didn't take them... my brain needs a break, not only my psyche.

When I'll feed my brain enaugh, and feel some questions or exploring desire pulling strong inside me, I'll go back.

If I want to relax, or have a nice time in nature, or good feeling, I don't absolutely need any esogens drugs, as you say =)

 

[IJesusChrist]

Good job. I think psychadelics are alot stronger than even we on psychonaut realize.

Doing them... (even more than once) often isn't necessarily harmful, but can have diminishing returns.

I think it is a persons option to try the naturals, or classics atleast once, psilo, LSD, DMT. But to depend, and believe they change you for the better is the wrong road.

Thanks for this, it is always a stick-poke in the side reminder to me that I feel the same way whenever someone posts one of these. I will be smoking DMT this summer, and taking year(s) off from psychadalia.

 

[MelloTrip]

Enjoy your break. Hope you'll keep posting here.

 

[Brugmansia]

You seem to have a bright and intelligent memory of the entheogenic path you went, from the beginning till now. Your sensory, memory and self knows the most honest advice.

Abstinence is a healthy, and fresh break, it gives birth. It is the key for nursing the mental equilibrium preventative, in order to assure the beauty of long-term psychonautism and to assure prosperity in life. Remember the future monitor and inner-sight navigation remains audible within one who went beyond the doors of perception, one won't lose that powerful tool during elected sober levels of consciousness.

I hope you'll stay with us.

 

[Forkbender]

Good stuff. Stay safe and keep hanging 'round.

 

[????????]

thanks y'all for your words! they are cherished. and yeah, i'll remain. i enjoy reading your discussions

hey fork i remember reading about you taking a long break from cannabis about 6 months ago... how did that go? how are your weed rhythms now??

 

[Forkbender]

Well, I just had a holiday and I smoked a bit too much, but besides the holiday I have only smoked four times this year. The holiday is over and I will continue to use cannabis only once a month or so for the rest of the year. I have no problems stopping the use of cannabis at all, and I actually feel better if I don´t use it more than once a month.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Very often people decide to stop having trips, because something went wrong. From the first half of your post I didn't get the impression something went wrong, and in fact I could relate to a lot you wrote there, but the end seemed to describe the incident that factually discouraged you.

I would love to talk with the person who had that nightmare experience. Not to satisfy my own curiosity, but to help him make sense out of what happened. He should get a hold on "LSD Psychotherapy" and start reading it as soon as possible. How is he doing nowadays?

Group trips are a very precarious thing. In the sixties and seventees researchers found out that 3 persons is basically the max for a group trip, IF there are sober and experienced sitters present as well. My guess is that there was no sober sitter present in your group, and the group may have been too large. The guy who freaked out should have received extra attention from a sober sitter from the moment he started feeling uncomfortable and weird. You may have noticed that in recent weeks I've been talking again and again about the need for sitters, and my motivation for this was a somewhat similar incident involving two Dutch psychonauts.

when i come up on lsd i get so sexual and horny that sometimes i think it's a waste being by myself!

I know I could get terribly horny while coming up on LSD, but some years ago I decided to not indulge in sexual thoughts or action until the peak is over and I've entered the afterglow. When you decide upon this beforehand, it's very easy to abstain and focus on other aspects of the experience. You won't feel horny at all (sexy perhaps, but not aroused). Remember that the more you focus on the duality of male-female, the more you will feel incomplete by yourself. If you don't dwell on sexuality, you won't feel "it's a waste being by myself". But when you see pussy in a porn movie, you'll immediately think: "I want that too, I want that in real life." If you allow that to happen in the middle of a psychedelic experience, you could start feeling disturbed by a deep sense of frustration. So during the come up of my trips, I try to focus on feeling complete by myself, as a unit of consciousness rather than a body of a certain gender.

 

[Forkbender]

Group trips are a very precarious thing. In the sixties and seventees researchers found out that 3 persons is basically the max for a group trip, IF there are sober and experienced sitters present as well. My guess is that there was no sober sitter present in your group, and the group may have been too large. The guy who freaked out should have received extra attention from a sober sitter from the moment he started feeling uncomfortable and weird. You may have noticed that in recent weeks I've been talking again and again about the need for sitters, and my motivation for this was a somewhat similar incident involving two Dutch psychonauts.

I don't think a sitter is necessary if the participants are at ease with each other, have experience with psychedelics and already know each other well. This doesn't mean there will never be hard periods, but people can help each other out because they know what they do. It is good if there are some experienced people present, but they don't need to be sober.

For example: if you, me, Brugmansia, Space-is-the-place would have a trip together, I don't think it will be problematic.

 

[magickmumu]

For example: if you, me, Brugmansia, Space-is-the-place would have a trip together, I don't think it will be problematic.

Only one way to find out.

 

[Forkbender]

True. 8)

 

[ararat]

I had a friend freak out as well. he thought that he won't be normal again (in german we have a word for that, I never found another one in english: hängenbleiben). I hugged him and told him that this happened to nobody and tried to talk him down. some minutes he started running. we (another friend (quite experienced) and me) thought that he would be ok. after ~1 hour we heard him laugh hysterically from the other side of the lake. I called him to come to us, but he didn't react. I went to him to find him only with his underpants and heavy bruises all over the body.
there's a shitload more to that story as you can imagine, but I'll keep it short. we were droven back to the parking lot (we were at some distant lake in the mountains, the most beautiful place I've ever seen in my life) by the ambulance. he was OK later on.

I decided not to trip with other people for some time.. at least not with unexperienced ones.



glad you are staying with us, ???????? =)

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

LOL

 

[ararat]

*edited*. I realized that I don't want to fill this topic with stuff like this.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Oops, the LOL was not about your story Pancake, it was about the last couple of posts on the previous page.

But wow what a story! It really seems tripping in a group raises the risk of someone having a bad trip (and of course dragging the others along, since there's no sitter who can focus on the person needing attention).

 

[ararat]

oh, nevermind then. I was wondering about what was so funny about my post anyway